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didn't we all grow up needing to be secretive? is it because of the adage of how 'everyone thinks women are hot' so like even straight women would get turned on more by their own moaning?

like as a guy i don't even...have the impulse to involve my voice in it at all

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[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't know how I know the answer to this, and I'll try to keep it brief and simplify something more complex than I can go into given I'm typing on my phone, but here goes:

This goes wayyyyyyy back into our past as human beings. Women largely vocalize more than men during sex as a way to signal to other males in the area that sex is happening and that they should join in. It's encouragement for the male, but it goes deeper (heh) than that - the human penis is quite large as far as body to dick ratio for animals goes, and there are two reasons for that; the head is designed to 'scoop' competing males' semen out with each thrust in preparation for replacing it with the dick-haver's own, while the longer shaft allows deeper penetration in order to scoop as much as possible.

So basically, when a woman moans loudly, it's signifying she's ready to go, and that the strongest male in a group will be the one to eventually impregnate her. It's literally a survival of the fittest mechanism.

Now obviously that isn't the reason for it these days, as we're all aware that our intelligence as a species makes sex a vastly more complex thing than it is for other animals at this point in our evolutionary path, but that's what researchers believe is the origin of sexy female noises.

EDIT: This is a legitimate hypothesis. Not everything is some modern social construct with no link to any evolutionary advantages and survival of the fittest. I'm sorry if this challenges your narrow worldview.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_copulatory_vocalizations

[–] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I hate this hypothesis and I highly doubt any women were involved with developing it.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

Do you think they were busy moaning or?

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

... which makes no difference either way because science can be done without including any person of any particular gender.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago

Science generally has a way to test a hypothesis. Like a lot of things that start with "humans do x because when we were cavemen...", this has no way to test it.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Gender does give some unique insights to things though. When only one sex are the only ones looking at something, particularly something that has an effect in a psychology or physiology based thing it's way easier to overlook a detail of something that they have never experienced. When science was the domain of almost exclusively men there were a lot of easily provable false things in regards to women and archeological finds that were just taken as gospel because nobody thought to prioritize or consider different perspectives. When you study a sex like they are an animal with no internal perspective, unique cultural expectations or values you make a lot of mistakes.

Like they never bothered mapping the internal structure of the clit until 1998. The internal structure is actually a lot bigger than you'd think.

[–] MudSkipperKisser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’d like to unscrew my eyeballs, put them in a hard bristle boot brush to remove the outer layer and then put them back in my sockets so I can be free of this comment. We moan because it feels good. If you want to try and go further perhaps because we haven’t been conditioned as much to suppress emotion. As to the shape of the head….if anything the shape would serve as a plug for the current male’s own sperm to prevent it from coming out. C’mom

[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't just make this up, it's a legitimate hypothesis. Someone else posted a wiki link to it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_copulatory_vocalizations)

Not everything is some patriarchal social conditioning conspiracy, dude.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I could make up a theory too that sounds great, without even believing it myself. :)

[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

OP asked a question, I (and a few others) posted a possible answer. The pushback against this theory in particular seems to stem not from a place of reason, but from a place of emotion. I'd love to see genuine refutation to this theory, because it certainly isn't concrete fact, but when the only thing I see is "lol stupid horny men and their fantasies" and "where were the WOMEN on this scientific study?" you'll have to excuse me if I don't think they're worth entertaining as good faith rebuttals.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah maybe. I'm a guy but I would be pissed too if some female made a completely ridiculous theory about men being a certain way. And they sometimes do. :)

I understand the emotional reaction to this, and yeah, could be correct, but I doubt it myself.

[–] MudSkipperKisser@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Love this comment :)

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How would you test your hypothesis? Is there a competeting hypothesis, and what evidence could we gather to disprove one or the other?

[–] MudSkipperKisser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I never doubted it’s someone’s hypothesis, that doesn’t make it any less absurd