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[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure if you're Malaysian, but regardless, equality and equity are not the same thing, which has been completely ignored by this guy.

Is there an inequity issue still? I don't know, but it hasn't been addressed.

[–] imademo@monyet.cc 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cope argument. Bumi myself, I know plenty of other Bumis from privileged backgrounds getting opportunities despite having lesser credentials.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But do they have privileged backgrounds because they're Bumi, or because of something else?

That's the inequity the systems originally tried to address.

[–] imademo@monyet.cc 2 points 11 months ago

Who gives a shit how their family got their privilege? What matters is in the present that their children is taking that opportunity from someone else that could've used it. If their family's past was a struggle but they've made it now, they can afford to go elsewhere and leave that opportunity to someone in need.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Actually if you're a Malaysian you will know what he mean and why it's not about equity at all. The allocation did not based on household income/poverty index but purely on race, as the selection is 90% Bumiputera(Malay and indigenous people) while 10% for other race.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No.

"Household income/poverty index" has nothing (directly) to do with this.

You skipped over the WHY is it purely in race?

Bumi programs were created to address racial inequity.

So, it seems both OP and you don't understand its purpose.

And like I said, I don't know if it's still needed, based on what little I've read so far.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"Household income/poverty index" has nothing (directly) to do with this.

Emmm....yes, that's what i said.

You skipped over the WHY is it purely in race?

Protectionism.

Bumi programs were created to address racial inequity.

How many year had we have this quota stuff and how well it address the "inequity"? What sort of "inequity" they're addressing when they only benefit the biggest racial group alongside with indigenous people? From what i see it only serve to worsen the issue.

So, it seems both OP and you don't understand its purpose.

I'm the OP. Tell me the purpose.

[–] weecious@monyet.cc 2 points 11 months ago

60 years on, if you still tell me we need a race based equity program, I would say the original program has failed and it's time to move on to a more inclusive program.