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On the one hand, nice jab. Unfair since he wasn’t interested, but get his jollies where he can, I guess.
On the other, he knew longer than most that Reddit was done. He can pivot to Lemmy at any time.
Based on this https://reddthat.com/post/8711097 I don’t think he has any interest in Lemmy
Thanks for the link. I didn’t think he’s in the least interested in Lemmy. Unsure why he’s upset that someone else took the ball that he wasn’t interested in and ran with it.
Think about it. If you’d given so much of yourself over to crafting and honing an app like Apollo over the years and all that happened, happened… would you not be a tad deflated and exasperated?
I don’t blame him. Let him cool off for about 5 years. He’ll see it as a tribute one day.
You're right on all counts. It really is a tribute to Apollo's design, and I hope he sees it that way someday.
While I'd be exasperated, I'd like to think that I'd also be mature enough to realize that Voyager simply does what I didn't want to do. I'd like to think that I wouldn't be pissy about it. I might be wrong, but I'd like to think it.
100% this
He was also the voice of the fight against the API changes, which I’m sure took a toll too. His reputation was dragged through the mud and wild accusations thrown his way. He probably wants nothing to do with app dev, let alone app dev for a Reddit clone.
What makes you think he's upset?
See here
Also this comment.
I don’t think he is planning on making a big deal out of it or anything, but he does clearly not really like it.
Interesting. I could see him getting upset if it was monetized but I agree that it makes no sense when he has expressed zero interest in doing it himself.
He needs to do his business or kindly remove his cheeks from the throne. I'm disappointed with his comments even though they don't concern me in the least. I don't think i rver got my lifetime/platinum fee back, be calling Apple soon to get that cleared up if it isn't too late
Edit: i needed an extra $40 so this works out perfectly
Because there's a stark difference between "playing ball" as it were, and essentially trying to make an identical ball without permission.
the old ball was taken away, a jab is fair, but so was keeping the ball alive.
I think people on this site are a bit too used to open source projects you can just fork and use based on their license. This is not the case here.
All that being said I don't think Christian is going to take any negative actions against the project; if he was going to, he probably would have done so sooner.
Please explain what actions he could take?
Unless someone stole his source or assets there is no action to be taken.
Why couldn't he do what Narwal is doing?
Edit: he basically did what Reddit did and everyone's cheering his nobillity or whatever. Interesting 🪳
But the voyager dev has not seen or used apollo's code to build voyager. He has done everything from scratch only taking heavy inspiration from Apollo. Christian has helped indirectly by being the one to develop the UI which serves as inspiration but considering that voyager is not a competitor to apollo, in my opinion he has no right to be outraged at the fact that it is a looklike. He is free to not contribute to voyager and it is true that he has already contributed a lot indirectly but him getting angry or upset at the fact that the UI is pretty similar makes no sense to me.
And a lot of that UI was requested and suggested by redditors along the development of the app. Christian said as much in many of his posts.
Also much of Apollo was influenced by the Alien Blue UI that Reddit had already taken away (and how I got a bunch of years worth of free gold).
So it’s actually the Alien Blue dev who should be annoyed?
A ball is a ball. The idea to make a spherical object cannot be copyrighted. Unless the Voyager dev somehow copied Apollo's source code, there's not a bloody thing that Christian can do except grumble and snark.