That makes more sense and I agree with it. The way you wrote it (or the way I interpreted it) was like "we're all doctors because a hospital can't run without the rest of its staff". I still disagree that a level designer can be call themselves a game developer. That'd be like a nurse calling themselves a doctor.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A game developer is anyone on the team which creates the game. A level designer is a game developer. A game engineer is the term you are confusing it with. This is common because of the term Software Developer but the developer part of game developer comes from the creation/construction side. Like a property developer or community developer.

[–] snowe@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is common because of the term Software Developer but the developer part of game developer comes from the creation/construction side

since when? When did the software part of game developer stop being about actual code development and start being more like property or community? That makes literally no sense at all. Developer as it relates to any sort of code means the person actually writing the code. To say otherwise is just ignoring the meaning of words.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's not ignoring the meaning and even the term software developer doesn't just mean "one who writes code." Software developer also includes software designers, testers, and other facets of creating computer software. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development#Workforce

[–] snowe@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You misread that.

is a person or company engaged in a software development process, including research, design, programming, testing, and other facets of creating computer software

does not mean software testers are developers, it means that software development includes testing, and a person that does software development might be involved in all of the above.

Notice how the next sentence includes no such title that would be confused with a person that isn't writing code.

Other job titles for people with similar meanings include programmer, software analyst, or software engineer.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I did not misread that. Someone or a company engaged in the software development process is a software developer. If the software development process includes these things then those taking part in the development process are called developers. The next line marks the confusion you see with the term developers. As in "Don't call your engineers developers, call them these things."

That said, the games industry is as such that everyone on the team is a game developer. GDC is a game developers conference yet they hold audio, art, design, and marketing talks. It's a conference for game developers which includes all disciplines of game development. Everyone who goes to GDC is typically a game developer regardless if they work in art, engineering, design, or elsewhere.

Anyways, you are simply wrong, there are tons of articles, twitter threads, reddit posts, and etc that show https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/f71cx4/artists_are_devs_according_to_cig/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedesign/comments/wz10zo/the_game_designer_is_not_a_developer/im00wcg/ https://twitter.com/mesetatron/status/1690867527864524800 https://twitter.com/freelancegames

Tons of people call anyone who works on a game a game developer, it's a definition of the term Game Developer. If you can't accept that then it's cool, you simply just move on. You aren't going to change my mind to attempt to alienate my fellow game developers from me.

[–] snowe@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

Someone or a company engaged in the software development process is a software developer. If the software development process includes these things then those taking part in the development process are called developers. The next line marks the confusion you see with the term developers.

This is just absolutely false, and I'm sorry, I just don't want to continue to argue this. Good luck.