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[–] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

How will it last as long as Skyrim when it has relatively little to no content?

[–] Piwix@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Im sure theyre banking on the modding community keeping Starfield on life support for a decade or more

[–] Knusper@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The modding community won't be terribly motivated to build on top of their base game either, if the base game doesn't feel worth playing for long...

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

I feel like people with the ability to mod starfield would rather spend time modding skyrim

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Exactly, it’s so fucking gross. Free labor, so why wouldn’t they I guess

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

relatively little to no content

It has about as much handcrafted content as Skyrim if you count all settlements, crafted-quests, dungeons, etc. Just because it has a ton of procedural content with a ton more random missions than Skyrim doesn't mean it has less handcrafted.

I understand why some people say it feels like Starfield has little to no content because they swim (or fact travel) in an ocean of procedurally-generated stuff.

For me, each playthrough I'm discovering at least a handful of big new things I missed the previous playthrough.

To get to brass tacks, estimates have been showing Starfield has approximately 400-500 named quests. Skyrim vanilla has 274.

So if you think it won't last as long as Skyrim because you think nobody likes it, that's defensible from the Mixed reviews. But it's not due to lack of content but (arguably, because I like it) quality of content.

[–] coffinwood@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Some side quests in Starfield are longer than the main quests of other games.

For example, it took me the same amount of time to play through SF once as it took to play through The Witcher twice, including the DLCs.

"Little to no content" is an outright lie.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Long lasting content means fuck all if it's boring content. Not to mention you need gazillion loading screens which prolongs "play time".

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Sure. But that's a different topic.

Quantitatively, Starfield simply has more hand-crafted content than Skyrim. More and bigger cities/settlements, hand-crafted dungeons, and handcrafted quests. In the map-size cases, it's only slightly more, but in terms of quests, Starfield has about as many hand-crafted quests as Skyrim and Fallout 4 combined.

Now, if you don't enjoy exploring in Starfield, you won't find a lot of those quests (same as Skyrim). Heck, if you don't enjoy the quests themselves at all, that's a thing too. There's a neat hand-crafted quest around every corner... if you're not so bored you just rush the main story. I for one really liked the Neon Street Gang quests and (haven't finished it yet) the Crucible quest chain. Both of them I completely missed in my first playthrough because the game didn't hold my hand to find them.

[–] coffinwood@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How does a loading screen "prolong" playtime when the alternative is going or flying everywhere in real time?

Game is short. People complain. Game is long. People complain. Game makes you stare at five hour space travel. People complain. Game gives you fast travel. People complain. Game takes you by the hand. People complain. Game forces exploration. People complain.

I'm tired.

[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago

"Boring" is subjective. You know this, right?

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Just in sheer quest counts, Starfield blows Skyrim out of the water.

Settlement counts as sizes? Ditto. There's only 4 Major Cities, but there are non-city settlements as big as Skyrim Cities.

And New Atlantis is Massive.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I call bs. How many hours for that one Starfield playthrough then?

[–] coffinwood@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

135 to 140 hours approximately. I didn't put a lot of effort into outposts, so it could've been more.

[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

I feel as if you never actually played the game.