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I get that they care about climate change, I do too, but I don’t think this style of action is going to achieve anything. If it’s to raise awareness, I’d say most people are already aware of climate change, so they are not really doing much there. If it’s to influence the government, they don’t have enough people numbers for the government pay attention to their protest. And their style is too aggressive for the majority so it’s unlikely they can significantly grow their supporter numbers. I suspect they will remain a fringe group that gets in the news occasionally for disruptive protests but no progress will come if it.
I hear you.
But I’ve come to agree with the opinion that there’s a rampant soft form of climate denialism that isn’t about the facts of climate change but the facts about what can and can’t be done.
We’ve kind of been lured into a “business as usual”, “gotta follow the process”, “work from within the system”, “I can only do my bit”, “there’s no point in rocking the boat too much” mentality.
All of these ideas make sense (to me at least) … until they don’t. And against the egotistical moralism of “well I’ve done my part … what have you done” liberalism, that was always a divide and conquer trap, we’re all going to look like fools in history just lie Nazi era Germans.
To quote three lines from you:
There’s something glaring missing here. What else should be done? And is it proportionate to the stakes?
This is the denialism we have and project. Maybe it’s the majority that need to be addressed in a logical fashion about what does and does not make sense. A lot can happen once the majority actually care enough about something.
20 or 30 years ago, fine, this might have made much more sense then. But as someone who’s thought similarly to you most of my life while also caring and even volunteering my time to organisations and certainly doing “my part”, I am not looking forward to the conversations I’d have have children and grandchildren down the line about why I didn’t do more.
Every time I see news about these activists it makes me want to join them. They're some of the only people on the planet acting in a rational, non-selfish way re climate change.
@awwwyissss @SituationCake Mastodon is a white rose of sorts. There must be Australian security contractors scanning your posts. Keep up the good work!
That's great, but you are not in the majority who support them. I'm fairly confident that most voice them as a generally negative group that is annoying, self centred and counterproductive.
And so what is your suggested alternative?
It's the useless two faced politicians that are counter productive, we should grind the economy to a fucking halt until they start to listen
I agree that's how the group is perceived, but then again their intent isn't to win a popularity contest.
We had climae protests with hundreds of thousands on the streets. We had TTIP protests with half a million in the capital and 3 million all over my country. The governmrnt cared fuck all.
Protest that isnt disruptive is not effective. Also when people say "target the right ones". Do they really think breaking into company HQs and dragging out the suits is going to be more accepted by society? They'd be branded terrorists and locked away for good.
This is not how you gain supporters. This is how you gain enemies.