Antiwork
A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.
The new place for c/antiwork@lemmy.fmhy.ml
This server is no longer working, and we had to move.
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Subscribers: 2.1k
Date Created: June 21, 2023
Library copied from reddit:
The Anti-Work Library 📚
Essential Reads
Start here! These are probably the most talked-about essays on the topic.
- The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
- On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2013) | listen
- In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen
c/Antiwork Rules
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1. Server Main Rules
The main rules of the server will be enforced stringently. https://lemmy.world/
2. No spam or reposts + limit off topic comments
Spamming posts will be removed. Reposts will be removed with the exception of a repost becoming the main hub for discussion on that topic.
Off topic comments that do not pertain to the post at hand may be removed if it is deemed they contribute nothing and/or foster hostility at users. This mostly applies to political and religious debate, but can be applied to other things at the mod’s discretion.
3. Post must have Antiwork/ Work Reform explicitly involved
Post must have Antiwork/Work Reform explicitly involved in some capacity. This can be talking about antiwork, work reform, laws, and ext.
4. Educate don’t attack
No mocking, demeaning, flamebaiting, purposeful antagonizing, trolling, hateful language, false accusation or allegation, or backseat moderating is allowed. Don’t resort to ad hominem attacks against another user or insult other people, examples of violations would be going after the person rather than the stance they take.
If we feel the comment is uncalled for we will remove it. Stay civil and there won’t be problems.
5. No Advertising
Under no circumstance are you allowed to promote or advertise any product or service
6. No factually misleading information
Content that makes claims or implications that can be proven false or misleading will be removed.
7. Headlines
If the title of the post isn’t an original title of the article then the first thing in the body of the post should be an original title written in this format “Original title: {title here}”.
8. Staff Discretion
Staff can take disciplinary action on offenses not listed in the rules when a community member's actions or general conduct creates a negative experience for another player and/or the community.
It is impossible to list every example or variation of the rules. It is also impossible to word everything perfectly. Players are expected to understand the intent of the rules and not attempt to "toe the line" or use loopholes to get around the intent of the rule.
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Provide evidence. I've provided mine, which you simply ignored.
The description of the community seems evidence enough to me.
I don't see evidence of anything. You've provided your opinions and asked lots of questions and presented some quotes. You haven't shown that anything you've presented is related to this community. For example, the community description makes no mention of a "movement" and yet you assert that this community is about a social movement.
Not at all. What about it proves this community has nothing to do with work? You've proved you can copy and paste, but not that you can read and understand what is written.
Okay, you really have to be trolling, or else you clearly have never been in a debate before. I didn't "provide opinions". I interpreted the quote you pasted without engaging with. I highlighted the sections that were relevant and drew out rhetorical questions (have you never heard of them before?) to make you consider what it means.
"Presented some quotes". Don't make me laugh. Those quotes aren't random bullshit. The very first one was an essay you yourself highlighted - at least, you looked at its title. I read through it and found that it directly contradict your assumptions about it. This is called research, and you should get better at it if you want to take part in any debates.
Excuse me? Those quotes come from links directly in the sidebar. Did you only glance at my comment? I see no other reason for you to have missed where I stated what exactly those quotes were, and where they were from. They couldn't be any more obviously relevant. Again - the first quote comes from an essay you mentioned.
It is literally named "antiwork". Antiwork is a movement.
I haven't asserted that this community has nothing to do with work.
Firstly, that article uses a hyphen, "anti-work", which is not strictly the same as either the name of this community or the word you used in your link to the article.
Secondly, "antiwork" is a generic latin word. Just because this community is named using the same generic latin word as something else, doesn't imply that the two are directly related.
Lastly, even assuming for the sake of argument a movement called "antiwork", you still haven't shown that this community is about that movement. There is no mention of a "movement" in the community description and you have shown no connection. This community is not mentioned in the article you linked to.
Playing this game, are we? I've already proven you wrong on this claim, so I won't waste me time doing it again. Instead I'll copy and paste what I said last time:
'You literally said “this is not antiwork” because it’s “about workers”. Stop trying to play games.'
Significant how? Don't try and use speculation as argument. It won't work. Without a solid point, I can completely ignore this.
Nope, it's English. English may be derived from Latin, by calling it Latin is fucking bonkers. Also, nothing generic about it when there's a movement by that name. I could start a community and call it "communism", then pretend to be surprised when people connect it to the already existing movement of the same name, saying "but it's just a movement that values community! Community is a generic Latin word!"
Sophistry, Nothing more.
Explain how it is generic and not specific. Use evidence or reasoning. Don't just state things and expect the bare, sourceless, baseless statement to stand as an argument alone.
"Even assuming"? You're now denying that the antiwork movement even exists? I already provided evidence that it does. What the fuck are you even trying?
Is this how you always argue?
It has the same name, the same aims, and uses the same arguments to make its claims. This isn't rocket science.
The communist community doesn't, either. Is communism also not a movement, by these standards?
The article was written during the Great Resignation, before this Lemmy community existed. You're really fucking reaching.
If you want this stupid conversation to end, just give me one good reason why you think this community has nothing to do with the larger antiwork movement. Why is it so important for you for them to be disconnected? Do you have a grudge against this community in particular?
A word being used as a name does not imply that the word is not generic.
"Anti" is a generic latin prefix that designates negation or opposition. So "anti[anything]" just means "[anything] negated or opposed". The word "work" is a generic word and not a name. Therefore the word "antiwork" is a generic word and not specific. Like "unenlightened", "maladjusted" or "antirational".
Again, having the same name is not proof of a direct relationship.
You haven't shown that this community and the anti-work movement have the same aims or make the same claims. Even if you did, that's still not proof of a direct relationship.
Antiwork has only one possible meaning - the meaning associated with the movement. You are reaching incredibly far to try and work around that. It is not generic - it is only used for one purpose by one type of people. It is quite specific.
Yes, using the same name, making the same points and working for the same causes means you're part of the same movement. You cannot argue otherwise and make sense.
Yes, I have shown that they have the same cause. The essays they link demonstrate their ideological source. The arguments inherent there are the ones inherent across all antiwork.
I disagree.
How very compelling. Well, I disagree on what "gravity" means.