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[–] dharwin@kbin.social 87 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The US is sleepwalking into fascism. Well, don't say we didn't warn you.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Half of us are being dragged, the other half is pulling us. It's illegal for the ones being dragged to protect themselves from the ones pulling us as we live in a state.

Then there's the leftist non-voters who seem to think that if you don't choose Republican or Democrat we default to peaceful communism.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd say it's more like 40% of us are being dragged by 25% of us while 35% watch on, refusing to participate either way despite the fact that they'll be dragged in next.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Ya, I was having trouble with the fractions, I figured people would get what I meant.

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Gen Z voters fucking terrify me. They are turning against even Bernie Sanders, because of the fact that our government supports Israel. Like, they are willing to blow up everything for Palestine. Don't get me wrong, I for damn sure support the Palestinian people and detest the genocide being perpetrated by Israel, but am I willing to allow my own country to fall to fascism because of their support for Israel? No! I won't because allowing this country to fall to fascism is only going to let Israel continue their genocide, but under Trump our troops will join the fray and bomb the shit out of Gaza.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, as much as I make fun of the alt-right and their dumb culture war bullshit, some of the Gen Z on the left end of the spectrum are so willing to cast out all allies just because they detect one iota of dissent from a rapidly moving set of expectations, esp. when it comes to things like trans.

And it's fracking dangerous. I look at what happened to the discussion forums on Boing Boing as an example of this. The assumption is that anyone not in the upper echelon of the oppression olympics intersectional game has to shut up and just listen to any opinion of someone in a certain set of groups, just because. Meaning, if you are white or male or both and cishet or xtian, then your opinion is worthless, unless you just repeat verbatim what one of the blessed members says. And even then, you might be accused of appropriating their arguments or being a white savior or whatever.

If they think that is any semblance of normal, or the way to fight fascism, build coalitions, or win elections, they are completely deluding themselves. If it was only places like Boing Boing it might be one thing. Unfortunately, that is just a very public example of it...

Oh, and same sentiments on the Gaza thing. What Israel is doing there is beyond belief in horribleness, but checking out or voting against Biden would make it far worse. What people that say "voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil" fail to see is that the alternative is getting even MORE evil than otherwise...

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago

Oh, the fascists are waking wide-eyed awake straight into it. And they’re dragging the rest of us with them.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm wide awake, my heart is pounding, and my vocal chords are shredded from the screaming. Not all of us are asleep. 1/3rd of the country actually wants this.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1/3rd of the country actually wants this.

Not-so-fun fact: in 1930s Germany, the highest the Nazi Party ever performed in a national vote was 37%.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

"Its like poetry, it rhymes."

  • George Lucas
[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not sleepwalking if we all know that it's happening and are screaming about it, but nobody in power is doing anything to stop it.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

Fact is, like any normal distribution, 2/3 if American voters are uneducated centrists that dont understand how their system of government works or what the meaning of scary political words mean. To them, the world is just fine, but that Biden feller made me sleepy so fuck him.

Most Americans have no idea what is waiting for them on January 21st 2025.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

sick of this talking point, we're wide awake and the warning signs are all there.

[–] unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep law and justice is either complicit or nutless and that’s why we’re all sweating this.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What worries me is that we keep getting reassured that someday, at least one of these 91 charges will stick and it will take care of everything. But I see absolutely zero reason to believe that there will be any consequences whatsoever. The delay tactics have thus far been working and his popularity just grows and grows.

We are wide awake and still letting it happen; and we see it happen in other countries the world over. My only conclusion is that this is what people want.

I disappointingly keep finding out people at work support him and now I just assume no matter how decent someone might appear… they probably deep down are shit. I have to awkwardly avoid conversations about their dumb world views whenever politics come up. It’s concerning the number of every day people that want this shit.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's always from someone who doesn't live in the US, too.