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Biden said to be increasingly frustrated by dismal poll numbers (www.washingtonpost.com)

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[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

The US was heavily involved in mediating the talks, and getting the ceasefire extended.

Really? How?

Everything the current administration wants. They could absolutely send way more if they wanted to, and the Republicans certainly would.

No, everything Israel wants. Do you have any examples to the contrary?

That would be you, because a Republican government = more gerrymandering, more fascist laws, more restricted voting, a more right wing judicial system, all of which leads to less ability to vote against them.

Maybe once it gets bad enough, people like you will start fighting back instead of rolling over.

To think, we could be talking about a legitimately new president without Trump having ever entered office.

Do you blame the democrats for nominating Hillary Clinton, or the independents who didn't fall in line? Why isn't it the responsibility of those who support Hillary/Joe to fall in line if a Progressive wins the nomination?

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Really? How?

IIRC they acted as a go between Israel and Qatar to enable talks in the first place, and they threatened reduced support if Israel didn't agree to a ceasefire. But those articles were from a month ago, and I cannot find them now.

No, everything Israel wants.

Do you honestly think if the US was like here's $100 billion more Israel would turn it down? The US could send way more money.

people like you will start fighting back instead of rolling over.

Ah yes, let's allowing a fascist dictator with absolute power to rise in order to potentially start a doomed rebellion because I don't like something the government is doing. You think 1 million Palestinians potentially being killed is bad, but you're A-OK with starting a civil war that will result in 10s of millions of deaths? You really have to get your priorities straight.

the independents who didn’t fall in line

Them, I blame them. Sanders would not have won a general election, he is too far left for the vast majority of Americans. But the minority that did support him would have been enough to tip the scales in the Dems favor, allowing the country to avoid the ultra-right wing hell it now finds itself in.

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Sanders would not have won a general election, he is too far left for the vast majority of Americans.

That doesn't make any sense. If independents prefer Sanders and Republicans hate Hillary, then you're only going to lose voters by alienating independents.

Republicans were never going to vote for her.

I see what the problem is now. You legitimately believe Hillary was a better choice than Bernie against Trump, even though she lost.

I can't reason with people like you because you refuse to see reason. You will do whatever the establishment tell you to because they're always right and you just have to go along with it (even when they're wrong.)

Ah yes, let’s allowing a fascist dictator with absolute power to rise in order to potentially start a doomed rebellion because I don’t like something the government is doing. You think 1 million Palestinians potentially being killed is bad, but you’re A-OK with starting a civil war that will result in 10s of millions of deaths? You really have to get your priorities straight.

Sorry, this paragraph just oozes reddit-brain. I'm gonna let you think on why rational people won't take such charged comments seriously. I'd be here all fucking night unraveling this bullshit like it's a Calabi–Yau manifold.

Anyways, I've said my piece. You seem like no matter what you're going to believe you're correct, so I'll just let you have the last word and we can be done with it.

Goodbye.

[-] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

If independents prefer Sanders and Republicans hate Hillary

You're forgetting the moderate Dems, 60 million + people, and a much larger voting Bloc than the socialist independents.

Hillary was a better choice than Bernie against Trump,

Yes, Bernie would have certainly lost too. And lets not forget Hillary actually did win the popular vote.

Why do you think Bernie would have beat Trump given the vast majority of US voters are right wing?

why rational people won’t take such charged comments seriously

What do you think a resistance would lead to if not armed conflict?

You seem like no matter what you’re going to believe you’re correct

Funny how often stubborn people who refuse to see reason say this. Nice projection.

[-] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Do you blame the democrats for nominating Hillary Clinton, or the independents who didn't fall in line?

Both.

... to fall in line if a Progressive wins the nomination?

Unless they're a DNC candidate, they won't.

Do you know how many people you need to convince to move over to one, not several, third party?

Let's look at the 2020 election results:

81,000,000 Biden
74,000,000 Trump
 1,800,000 Jorgensen  
   400,000 Hawkins

Are you going to convince seventy five million people to choose one single other candidate?

And what then? You realize if they did win, they just become the new establishment, right?

What happens when someone like you doesn't like the way Hawkins handled the mess at the border that Trump left and starts another "shit sandwich, fart taco" fiasco about moving to a 4th party?

The green party got 0.2% of the total vote, man. That's not enough. That's not nearly enough. You need over 50.0%, and they were aiming for 5.0%.

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Do you know anything about the electoral college?

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