this post was submitted on 21 Dec 2023
829 points (95.4% liked)

World News

39110 readers
2571 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Note:

I swapped the original article at the request of a mod to from a source deemed more reliable, but to avoid confusion when reading the comment section prior to this edit, here is the link to the original article. I chose the Relief Web source listed by some who commented. Cheers!

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What? The article says exactly what the report says. 'Allege' is legal shorthand for 'we say this is true'

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The title does not say allege. The title says something very different

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, the title says precisely the same thing. To 'report' something to be true is the same as to 'allege' something to be true.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To report something is to make a finding. You may have an interesting definition of report, but the common usage is about findings. The UN did not make a finding that Israel committed a mass killing. The implication of the title is the UN made a determination which it did not do.

The UN is calling on Israel to investigate an allegation but it did not make a finding.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/report

  • To return or present as the result of an examination or consideration of any matter officially referred.
[–] snek@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this is quite pedantic.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

considering you and I have both agreed the title is misleading. I'm not being pedantic. You understood what I meant, and you have acknowledged it.

So when the question of what the title actually means came up, it seems like a worthwhile discussion

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Actually I read it again and changed my mind... wrote you another comment, do check it.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think we've moved out of 'not understanding' and into the realm of 'you don't want to believe and you also don't want others to' territory.

Which would be fine if you were more honest about it. Have a nice day.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 11 months ago

Fighting over dictionary definitions is the least interesting type of discussion. That's why we have dictionaries