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[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, but that's what we know of. It's suspected that there's a record breaking (for modern Europe) mass grave outside Mariupol. I doubt the numbers will get as high as the IDFs, but we can't get any independent journalists or investigators past Russia's front line from my understanding.

Also, like the other guy said, that fight is a bad professional army vs a better smaller professional army.

The IDF vs Hamas is an okay but cruel professional army against a relatively bad terrorist organization.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

"Okay but cruel" seems like a weird way to say bad

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Weird way to say "war criminals"

[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think they meant good and bad in terms of skill level, not moral alignment.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Throwing American money on Children isn't skill though.

Skill would have been preventing 7 Oct with "worlds best intelligence agency". There is no skill in the IDF.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -1 points 11 months ago

They likely arranged it, that would take skill.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think he means their performance in combat, going by the way he spoke of Ukraine/Russia in the comment.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

The Russians are far more Humane than the IDF.

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I wasn't sure how to phrase it. Well trained but bad is a better phrasing I suppose. I find it hard to use the word "bad" when both sides are "bad" idk. I get where both sides come from in the fight 🤷‍♂️

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago

"Okay" means they are not as cool as they think. A good professional army would wipe its arse with them. Naturally Hamas is not that, nor anything threatening them.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The IDF vs Hamas is an okay but cruel professional army against a relatively bad terrorist organization.

IDF was literally created by combining terrorist organizations, Haganah and Irgun being the big ones. So, unless the militant wing of Hamas is the cruel, professional Army, it's terrorists vs. terrorists.

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

This opinion makes no sense to me. The US Army was also formed during a terrorist action, so was the Russian red army. We wouldn't have called the Russian red army in WW2 a terrorist organization, and we certainly wouldn't call the US military a terrorist organization. We could call them cruel or bad or whatever based on personal opinions, but we wouldn't call them terrorist organizations.

For a more extreme example, the Nazi military was far far worse than Hamas or the IDF and I still would call them a professional military. They were still state sanctioned, trained to a specific common standard, paid a wage, internationally recognized as a military force, etc. etc.