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communism has killed 100 million people
Stems from the black book of Communism which counts nazis killed by the Soviets, everyone killed by the nazis in the USSR, unborn children and even more absurd shit like that just to get to that number lmao.
If we count shit like that, Capitalism has killed billions.
Even using their numbers, if the choice is between 100 million people and every single living thing on the planet, communism sounds like a pretty good deal.
Comunism always sounds like a pretty good deal. UNFORTUNATELY IT'S LEADERS ARE ALWAYS CORRUPT
Only if you don't adjust for functioning existence lmao.
You call this functioning?
Ah yes, India, Haiti, and Myanmar. Definitely what people instantly think of when prompted for the average modern capitalist democracy rather than the us, uk, denmark, sweden, norway, germany, netherlands...cherry pick a bit harder and you might start making sense
Those were your picks for the average capitalist democracy but I'm the one cherry picking? Lmao
The problem with these counts is there is no way of making them look good, like lives saved due to "x". How many people lived because the Soviets managed to eliminate all famines in their territory after that? A huge feat given their relative frequency beforehand.
And then you can blame countless deaths on capitalism, feudalism, slavery, but then do you normalize those numbers based on total world population?
What about blaming AK-47s? The police?
My point is that it's a pointless metric that is only used to drum up support against some group of people, not a useful one for objectively understanding anything. It does away with all context, and replaces it with some inane number.
Feel free to clarify your point
The point is just "100 is an exaggeration"? That's all? Thanks for the contribution cOmRaDe
I think the point is that it's difficult to attribute that to communism in any meaningful way where you're comparing it to non-communism. Like if those 100 million people would have died anyway, how to do you say 'it was communism that did it' since maybe more would have died under the next most likely form of government that would have been in it's place. How many people have died for Democracy, assuming that both world wars and countless other ones were fought to defend it.
Ehhhh, because you can tie it directly to communist policies like collectivisation?
Yeah, it's wayyyyyy more
Well it's at least 75 million so what's another 25?
Those 25 can easily be added by deaths in Cuba venezuela and many more dictatorships with the comunism propaganda activated