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“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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[–] calcifer@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Bunch of people keep talking about how the US shouldn't broker peace deals and China should. Hypocrisy at its finest.

The fact is, having a third party nation recommendation for peace or no peace is a standard for centuries, and if that nation is a global hegemony with nuclear weapons, then it makes sense.

[–] Tretiak@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bunch of people keep talking about how the US shouldn’t broker peace deals and China should. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Would you have North Korea brokering deals between Thailand and Laos?

[–] calcifer@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

If they actually had any influence instead of being a laughing stock, then it would be the norm, yes. They don't though, but China could and would be the better example instead of a Red herring. Or Australia (they don't have nukes, but similar influence and such).

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The US is one of the least peaceful states in the world, and that's no easy feat. Plus, they are openly involved in the proxy war, as opposed to China.

I'm not seeing the hypocrisy here.

[–] Tretiak@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You’re arguing against a position that’s every bit as dumb and I’ll-informed, as the chick that heads up the NED, attempting to overthrow regimes opposed to the US all over the world. The people replying to you in ignorance aren’t in need of a ‘debate’, but an education.

[–] X77@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People want the war could end, but US won't let it. What hypocrisy?

[–] Cromutorium@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

people want the war to end

Russia clearly doesn't. In fact they were the ones who started it

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was Ukraine that violated the Minsk Accords not Russia

[–] Tretiak@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

There's little point in arguing with people who think history began yesterday.

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine started the war in 2014 by shelling civilians in the donnbass

[–] Tretiak@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

What's more interesting is how it seems all the home grown, American establishment sycophants think backing a coup attempt against Ukraine's democratically elected president (Yanukovych) doesn't count, when you tell them the US had a hand in starting the conflict.

[–] Tretiak@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

People refuse to hold their own side accountable and recognize what their contribution to the problem is.