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I'm politically agnostic and have moved from a slightly conservative stance to a vastly more progressive stance (european). i still dont get the more niche things like tankies and anarchists at this point but I would like to, without spending 10 hours reading endless manifests (which do have merit, no doubt, but still).

Can someone explain to me why anarchy isnt the guy (or gal, or gang, or entity) with the bigger stick making the rules?

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (4 children)

That's what it turns into. Anarchy is only a stable form of government on paper. Like a lot of things, it falls apart when executed in the real world. Mostly because there will always be people who are jerks.

[–] ZeroNotes@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The entire point of anarchy is that there is no government lol

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago

No hierarchal form of government, but rather a coalition of every single person that lives in the society. Things are definitely still governed. It isn't chaos.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anarchy is to government what 0 is to math.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

0 is really important to math.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anarchy is important when talking about government, as can be seen in a number of comments in this post.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

If your math is full of zeros you have a good time if your government is full of anarchy you will have your bronze statue take down via rope.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

The jerks won't be invited to the anarchistic society because they won't be interested in maintaining the social contract. Enjoy exile, jerks!

[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

That. And usually the stick is a very metaphoric one. As long as mechanisms of power exist, someone will have some kind of upper hand in any and all situations with other people.

For instance, if you're rich, you can throw more money at a situation and buy good results. If you have a big army, you can threaten someone into doing something for you and they know you have the manpower to back the threat up with actual force. And if you have a lot of connections, you can get stuff done via good will.

Ultimately, you need a government that, as a unit, has the authority to say "WE are the top dogs and there is nothing you can do about it." Ideally that system is malleable enough by its subjects to always act for the betterment of its subjects, and to hold its members to account.
In the absence of a formal government, that position is filled up by someone else. Either whomever shouts the loudest, has the most friend in the best places, has the biggest pile of money, has the biggest group of bullies, or some combination of those. In fact, that is how most kings' dynasties in history probably got established.

Just like nature abhors a vacuum, society abhors a power vacuum, and the moment you get rid of a king and do nothing to follow up on his removal, someone else is gonna take the throne and the crown and make himself king.

And before you start the republic spiel or the representative democracy spiel, a republic and a house of representatives are basically a royal court with more checks and balances, where the people on the outside as a whole get a say in who's in that court. It's basically regularly emptying and refilling thrones and having rules on how to do so.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 0 points 10 months ago

I agree. Additional question: do we need these β€žjerksβ€œ?