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They warned you: Someone allegedly used a politician's cloned voice to interfere with an election | It will most assuredly not be the last time this happens::undefined

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Not to minimize the 2016 or 2020 elections, which a lot of sources say there was not a level playing field in the DNC, but this year there is an incumbent president. This is how incumbent presidents are always treated. It's normal and fair and strategically sound.

The same thing happened when Donald Trump was incumbent and nobody made a fuss.

Edit for clarity:

normal - The incumbent candidate has preferential treatment within the party in every election cycle. There are various ways that this manifests, and is usually different depending on the exact circumstances. If one chose, they could drill down into specific details to make it seem exceptional e.g. "It's never been done in with this specific mechanism or in this particular state."

fair - If you want access to preferential treatment, become President. The President is the figurehead not only of the country, but arguably even more so of their party. It would be unfair for the party leadership to undermine them while in office.

strategically sound - Incumbent candidates win elections. There is something like a 65% advantage to incumbency. Moreover, a party has limited political, social, and financial capital. If they spend that capital in the primary race, then they start the general election at a disadvantage. There is evidence (and common wisdom) that a primary race actually generates more capital, but I've never heard any credible suggestion that it could be a net gain in any area. Running a primary means a less unified party, less financial resources, less voter confidence in the victor.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

This is how incumbent presidents are always treated. It’s normal and fair and strategically sound.

Really?

I never heard of any party stripping a state of their primary delegates because of something completely out of control of the state party... Especially when it's a state that routinely votes against the party favorite.

Can you let me know some other times this happened?

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In every election, the incumbent is given preferential treatment and generally treated as the de facto candidate. In which election are you thinking of that this was not the case?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Sure...

But when has the national party taken a state's delegates away?

Ideally for something outside of the states party control, because that's what just happened. And for a state that routinely votes against the national party's chosen candidate.

But I'll take any recent examples of a state losing their primary delegates because the national party yanked them away.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Welp, I guess I was right and this is totally unprecedented in modern American politics...

Still don't understand why so many people are ok with this tho

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also pretty sure I distinctly remember several people running against Trump in that primary.... So "nobody made a fuss" is a lie.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're actually proving the point. The people who ran against him demanded funding and equal access to Party resources, but they were denied. The incumbent party will always tilt the field toward the incumbent president.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Except you literally said "nobody made a fuss." Several people did.

Because not everyone agrees it's "normal and fair and strategically sound."

Just because "this is the way things are done" is an awful argument. Slavery was legal once, too, and people argued "this is the way things are done" for that, too.

It's a weak argument to say "well this is normal." So was segregation until it wasn't? Lots of morally dubious things have been argued with the "well this is normal and how we've always done it" bullshit.

If you can come up with a better argument to support it than "this is how we do it and it just is and you need to accept it" then I will listen.