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I don't think anybody actually brought up that particular angle of conversation. I'm happy to start with talking about what we see, but we seem to be skipping over that and leaping right to the "validity of the interpretation" part.
Which is perfectly ok I guess. Just not the conversation I'm shooting for here
I think that maybe due to the huge number of idiots deactivating their sense of proprioception and then talking about how "they were one with the universe" and thinking that has mystical significance. It's tiresome.
I didn't realize that you were so traumatized (by that huge number of idiots) as to make simple conversation impossible. I'll tread more lightly in the future.