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How Australian undercover police ‘fed’ an autistic 13-year-old’s fixation with Islamic State (www.theguardian.com)
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by Deceptichum@kbin.social to c/australia@aussie.zone
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Counter-terrorism police encouraged an autistic 13-year-old boy in his fixation on Islamic State in an undercover operation after his parents sought help from the authorities.

The boy, given the pseudonym Thomas Carrick, was later charged with terror offences after an undercover officer “fed his fixation” and “doomed” the rehabilitation efforts Thomas and his parents had engaged in, a Victorian children’s court magistrate found.

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What the fuck. This is absolutely disgusting. And no mention of any repercussions for the police involved, either. Not that that's a surprise.

Chalk another one up to ACAB.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 13 points 9 months ago

How are you going to justify all the repressive surveillance, if you don't manufacture some terrorists to catch?

[–] renard_roux@beehaw.org 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

ACAB (All Cops Are Bastards) is an acronym used as a political slogan associated with people who are opposed to the police. It is typically written as a catchphrase in graffiti, tattoos or other imagery in public spaces.

— Wikipedia

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Huh, I always thought it was All Cops Are Bad.

Either way, yeah, that’s my point. Cops do something absolutely abhorrent. Face no consequences. The lack of consequences proves it’s not just "a few bad apples", but a broken institution.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Fun fact, the full metaphor is "A few bad apples spoils the bunch" or a variant of (one bad apple spoils the barrel) etc. So even when they try to deflect with that, they're admitting it's all rotten.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Same with one's self up by their bootstraps, which was originally used to describe someone doing the impossible.

[–] flipht@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Same with pretty much every saying that regressives steal to justify their shit.

"Blood is thicker than water" does not mean family is more important than friends. The full saying is "Blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb." So it means the exact opposite.

"Spare the rod, spoil the child" is actually from a poem by Samuel Butler in the 1600s. The poem is about spanking your lover. The actual bible quote that the poem is satirizing is, "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him." Nuanced difference, but doesn't advocate beating the same way the shortened one does.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 9 months ago

Blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb

Nah, this one is actually came much later. The earliest use of the phrase comes from the 13th century and reads "kin-blood is not spoiled by water", referring specifically to the water used to baptise. The idea being that one's outlook on life will still match that of one's parents, and not be drastically adjusted merely by being christened.

By the 17th century the phrase as we know it had formed, with blood referring to kin. Over the 18th and 19th centuries the meaning of "blood" expanded somewhat, to refer not just to familial relations but also members of one's clan or nation.

The phrase you used is first attested in the 1990s and 2000s. Its authors claimed it was the original form of the phrase, but without citations to back up the claim.

It's possible that these authors are conflating the English phrase—which goes back in English to the 13th century and which as a philosophy goes back to ancient Greece and Rome—with a similar notion in Arab culture. There, they have the notion that blood-brothers are in a closer covenant than milk-brothers. Milk-brothers referring to the mother's breast milk shared by biological brothers, and blood-brothers being those who have chosen to form a blood pact, apparently involving literally licking each other's blood.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 1 points 9 months ago

A bad apple releases gases which causes other apples to quickly ripen and then spoil.

So it's not just "there's one bad apple therefore the bunch is bad", the bad apple makes the other apples turn bad too. The saying is about an individual spreading corruption through a group.