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Nader and Stein are less of a factor than you think.
In 2000, the butterfly ballot and Pat Buchanen caused more problems in Florida than Nader did, but the killer part was NONE of the Florida nonsense would have mattered if Gore had just managed to win his own home state of Tennessee. That would have put him over the top and Florida would have been a non issue.
Same thing with Stein in 2016. Clinton was her own worst enemy talking about putting coal mines out of business which cost her Pennsylvania and then failing to campaign entirely in Michigan and Wisconsin.