this post was submitted on 08 Feb 2024
527 points (77.1% liked)

politics

19120 readers
2714 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Or they have to be willing to use a simple majority to get rid of the filibuster.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They don't have the guts because the 2024 senate election landscape doesn't look great for Dems. Most of the purple seats that are up for reelection have democratic incumbents. Traditionally that would mean that Democrats will lose seats. They don't want to hand republican candidates in these states the talking point of "authoritarian democrats" killing the filibuster with a 1 seat majority.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And what was the excuse in 2009 when they wouldn't kill the filibuster for the public option? What was the excuse in 2021 when they wouldn't kill the filibuster to codify Roe or pass the John Lewis voting rights act?

There is always, always some excuse from Democrats. You may be happy to be strung along forever with empty promises and flimsy excuses. I'm sick of it.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They should have in 2009. The map was also bad then but feasibly that was their last real chance to do it. Though if they had done so we almost certainly would not have the ACA now. If republicans hadn't been stuck trying to dismantle it through budget reconciliation (to avoid the filibuster) it would have been trivially easy for them to kill it in 2014/2016.

It was never an option in 21. Dems technically had a majority (if the VP was in DC to cast a tie breaker) but Sinema and Manchin both public opposed killing the filabuster. It was DOA and bringing a DOA bill to the floor, in this case, would have been very bad. The first party to try to kill the filibuster HAS to make it stick. The first party to succeed will probably lose the the majority the next election, if they fail they will definitely lose it (while also de-stigmatizing it for the other party).

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Everyone is sick if it. But if it comes down to tRump or Biden, it's Biden all the way. This is not the year for a protest vote, at least not if you ever want to vote again. Also, traditionally, the second term of a Democrat president sees more getting done as they don't have to care about getting reelected. They can take more politically risky moves that the elite and Republicans may not be fully onboard with or try to campaign against.

Bottom line is, we know both of the (presumed) candidates this year and I trust the current one far more than the previous one. Strategic voting is more important this year than any other time in history. Progress, even slower than we may like, is still progress.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Everyone is sick if it.

No centrist democrat is.

But if it comes down to tRump or Biden, it’s Biden all the way. This is not the year for a protest vote, at least not if you ever want to vote again.

And here we are again. I did not say people should not vote. I did not say people should vote for Trump. But the empty promises and the endless excuses need to stop, and they needed to stop decades ago.

Now Democrats are promising to stop fascism, and I see no reason to believe them because it's a promise from Democrats.