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A bill that would allow police in France to spy on suspects by remotely activating cameras, microphone including GPS of their phones has been passed.

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[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Usually with Pegasus. And yes it works. Don't ask about it.

[–] cygnus_velum@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

[https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/18/what-is-pegasus-spyware-and-how-does-it-hack-phones](Well crap. We’re fucked then?)

[–] virgo@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Well crap, we're fucked then?

Title then link

We are just as fucked as we’ve always been. Hackers use zero-day vulnerabilities. Can’t do too much about that. Any device is hackable. That became clear after Snowden, and the USA hacking irans centrifuge.

[–] Gray@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US hacking Iran's centrifuges would have been preventable though with careful device management as far as I understand. The worm they used, Stuxnet, didn't come from nowhere. It either came from a USB that hadn't been properly sanitized or their systems were connected to an external, unprotected network when they definitely should have been isolated. That's a preventable virus and unrelated to conversations about backdoors being built into technology for governments to access.

[–] virgo@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup. If you can’t hack over the network, you can hack them into psychologically creating a vulnerability

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

People are pretty much always the weakest link when it comes to security.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Weren't Iran's centrifuges only hacked because they used off-the-shelf parts made in the U.S.?

[–] virgo@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago

We dropped a USB stick in the parking lot and they plugged the virus into the system lol

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I don't know that part would have made much difference, they were already air gapped and the NSA probably could have figured out just about any centrifuge: The hard part was delivering the payload, which was apparently delivered via a rubber ducky left in a parking lot.

[–] Evoke3626@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Goddamn that’s scary

[–] dontblink@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

Can't we even avoid that by using lineage or graphene? We're really fucked unless we are like cybersec experts...

[–] IAccidentallyCame@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wonder if Google, Apple, or SoC makera are asked or secretly mandated to leave certain backdoors in. I know mobile providers have quite a bit they can see on their end.

It's a good thing we're always presented with two choices for everything, like mobile OS's, to control our choices like we're toddlers.

[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

They don't really need to, the company making Pegasus is very very skilled, they however get paid for that as well, its absolutely not worth it for a normal person usually.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Mobile operators have baseband which is why we have modem isolation. And some of us can see quite a bit on our end, too.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How do you get Pegasus onto LineageOS or GrapheneOS? Especially on hardware with modem isolation?

[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago

Linux and similar Systems are harder to hack but not impossible, i cant tell more, cause i don't know more.

[–] vtez44@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

On lineageos also just pegasus. Only thing that makes it better than stock android is that you have more chances for security patches. Dumno about graphene, it has some additional protections, but still susceptible to some vulnerabilities of android.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Same way you do with everything else: Exploits.