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‘Enshittification’ is coming for absolutely everything::The term describes the slow decay of online platforms such as Facebook. But what if we’ve entered the ‘enshittocene’?

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

We just need to go back to paying for services. Free free free everything forever is not a sustainable business model. That’s why the big players just sell you to advertisers instead. And everyone is getting pretty grossed out about how much data that actually takes on you, so we’re passing privacy laws. Those laws mean these services can’t be free anymore.

Good. They shouldn’t be free.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Streaming services are paid and they are enshittifying just as fast as anything else, if not faster. No, it's not that we aren't paying enough and this is a desperate measure to make up for our neglect. This is corporate greed. Even when they have sustainable business models, that isn't enough.

Also, I worry how societal inequality might increase if the whole internet becomes subscription based, if people can't get informed or communicate without paying (more than their internet service, even)

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Streaming services were charging way under what they needed to to be sustainable when everyone is on them. Netflix for $10 a month with all the content is not sustainable. Think about how much mom and dad paid every month for cable. The media industry costs money to run.

But yes, a portion of it is corporate greed.

That said, yo ho yo ho, 🏴‍☠️

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I straight up do not believe that a company can provide a service for over a decade and not be charging enough to be sustainable. The CEO can come and say this to my face and I'll call them a LIAR. One or a couple years I could buy the idea of investors holding it up for the sake of establishing the business, but why would they be accepting losses for such a long time? This is funky accounting. I'm more inclined to think "it was not sustainable, we need to charge more" is just something they say when they think they can get away with squeezing more money from customers.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I didn’t say they were operating at a loss, I said they were unsustainable. They’ve been profitable since 2003, but their profit relies on content. With everyone else pulling their content, their cash flow needs to be huge to produce content they can use to attract customers. $10 per subscriber isn’t enough income to sustain the cash flow needed to produce that much content, so they raise their prices to become sustainable. When they relied on licensing content from rights holders, their expenses were smaller, but they have been losing the ability to rely on that.

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

It is not a sustainable business model because when it becomes paid people will realize they don't need them.

[–] Pizza_Rat@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes. This is the silent problem of enormous wealth inequality in the US. As the middle class disappears, fewer people are able to pay small fees to contribute to things like local news, community organizations, and online services.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 9 months ago

Our dollars are not as important as those who can pay obscene amounts of money for the better stuff. Same way the death of first class and the selling of private transportation is such a danger.

It's also not great that they just sorta expect the trickle in of a poor populace who combined still make a great share of the income and think their stranglehold is so tight that the money will never stop coming in.

It's piss poor management from the late generations of the wealthy. Didn't have to build or think about maintaining the economic machines and just saw how it could work for them to make them unimaginably wealthy and safe forever.
We are coming to the rest of if that's true and I think entropy of nature itself will prove the answer is no.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

EXACTLY! That's why Streaming Services, Online Shopping and tech producers like Apple have NOT begun to Enshittify!

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

As far as online shopping goes, if you’re getting free shipping and returns, there’s your answer.

And streaming services are just becoming cable again, so that’s not really surprising. Netflix with all the movies and shows for $10 a month was completely unsustainable.

[–] TooManyGames@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

They have. Smaller catalogs, more ads, more restrictions, more extra services pushed to users...