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Of course many things are relative, still if we do not try to discuss specific terms there will never be human understanding.
Is Israel imaginary? Me as living in Finland, I could still not verify.
Is there a massive weapon industry in U.S: and Nato countries? Well, that you can believe it. Every bullet sold is documented by multiple entities.
Is there a specific count of bullets, assault rifles, grenades, rocket launchers, war drones, missiles, ground mines, military vehicles and bombs sold to Israel by U.S. and Nato? Yes.
Is military funding accounted? Yes.
If something is official, you can trust it is real.
On the other hand Iran smugles armament to Hamas. That amount cannot compete with the official Nato supply. It's just industrially and logistically impossible.
A gun vs knife situations consequence is that a 'war,' as you call it became a genocide.
If we do not try to specify terms, ww2 jews could also be just 'war casualties'.
i feel like people dying and war actively happening is specific enough tbh.
yeah, that's the just the reality of being a military industrial complex, and the other party being cash equipped to the point of being able to afford it. Not to mention all the other benefits that im sure military analysts would love to bring up but whatever.
you have to be careful with this one, propaganda is official, doesn't mean it's real, or accurate, Russia knows this all too well. Israel does as well, same for the US.
or what mil nerds like to refer to as "asymmetric warfare" which is what the US military industrial complex specializes in. Anybody fighting against a NATO supplied entity is just going to have a bad time, especially if they have superior technology.
I mean yeah, if you ignore the entire reason why the war started, the jewish deaths are just a war casuality. But i guess actually starting at the beginning here, where the pre-text is riddled with antisemitic, fascistic rhetoric. I mean you'd have to be blind or illiterate to somehow miss that small part of it. This is quite literally missing the forest for the trees. This is something that i iterated on in my last post.
The sheer inability to understand the consequences of an action until its results have been viewed is a problem within it's own right. By that logic ww2 was only bad once it was over. Fascism is only bad once it starts killing people for no particular reason. War is bad only when it unjustly kills people. Fraud is bad only when it hurts rich people. You see what im getting at here?
I see where you are trying to get with that argumentation based on causality: justification. Thus, back to good/bad.
Still, I disagree on your reasoning for the condemn of ww2 atrocities. From the very beginning german nationalists had a big point against jew ownership and business monopoly. It's not for nothing that a majority democratically elected the to-be dictator Hitler. It's the way Nazi party implemented the 'fix' and the indifference of the rest of the germans that made up the genocide.
Similarly you repeatedly dismiss a key historical event in the palestinian conflict beginning. The brittish gave palestinian land to jews. Land which housed the majority of the palestinians at the day. How can you expect that to work in any case? Even if Hamas didn't exist palestinians would have the right to reclaim own land and conflict would be unevitable.
Let's forget the good/bad reasoning and face the issue from it's root, which is a mere territorial dispute.
im not really sure what the point here is other than stating basic facts, so i'll leave it there.
I haven't done that a single time, please give me an example of one instance where i dismissed the balfour declaration. (as far as i am concerned you are literally pulling this out of your ass) But since you don't seem to like doing history correctly, now is the point that would be the most optimal to mention that israel/palestine goes all the way back to biblical roots. It's referred to as both israel and palestine. That's kind of where the british got the idea from. And that's kind of sort of why palestine even existed. If you want my opinion on it, i think they were likely the same land, and through thousands of years of humanity, translation, and just general shenanigans. It changed over time. There is no correct answer as to who is the original owner of that land. Unless you're willing to take religious doctrine at its word, or completely ignore it i suppose, you are given a wealth of options in that regard.
whats with the good/bad shit? I keep bringing up nuanced points, to which you seem to be either confused about, or misunderstanding. And im not sure which. Unless you're referring to my opinions on people dying, in which case that's irrelevant. I have not once, at any point throughout this thread, said that either israel, or palestine are the good/bad guys here, which is what my original point was.
Although i suppose you might be trying to engage in satire here, which would be rather amusing. Though ineffectual.
I was really enjoying this debate, which enriched me too until you lost ur cool. Sad.
Peace.
alright then, you'll have to forgive me for losing my cool then.
You only lied about something i said. No big deal.