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[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Yes, let's reverse that and and make ourself dependent from Russia again...

Also, coal production has been doing nothing than falling since we made the switch. Renewables have been the major energy source 2023, for the first time, and are only prosepected to grow, while Germany is transitioning away from coal. One of the main reasons for the increase in coal in 2022 were the outages of frech nuclear plants...

After coal-fired power plants in Germany ramped up their production in 2022 due to outages of French nuclear power plants and distortions in the electricity market caused by the war in Ukraine, their share in electricity production fell significantly in 2023. Due to the drop in exports of coal-fired power and this years favorable wind conditions, electricity generation from coal-fired power plants in November 2023 was 27% below the generation in November 2022.

https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/press-media/press-releases/2024/public-electricity-generation-2023-renewable-energies-cover-the-majority-of-german-electricity-consumption-for-the-first-time.html

You can look at the graphs here to see how coal is already back to where it was pre-shutdown.

And as can be seen here, Germany has been able to cover their baseload only with renewables more and more. This is expected to increase, as renewables are growing and battery technology advances.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Germany is still entirely dependent on Russian LNG, so not sure what you're talking about there. Also, seems like you conveniently forgot that Germany imports electricity from France where most electricity production is done using nuclear power

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/germany/electricity-imports-and-exports/electricity-imports-france

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Germany imported Electric from France during summer 2023, due to lower energy costs in neighboring countrys and high Co2 certificate prices.

In total, Germany has been a net Exporter for Energy in 2023.

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/germany/electricity-imports-and-exports/electricity-balance-france

And while Germany has been an importer from France in general, this switched in 2022 when France nuclear reactors had to be shut down due to a record warm summer, showing how nuclear is not fit to withhold the stresses of the climate crisis upon us.

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/germany/electricity-imports-and-exports/electricity-balance-france

As too your other statement I'd like to ask for a source. I found nothing pointing towards this.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1332783/german-gas-imports-from-russia/

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

While up to a dozen EU countries have received Russian LNG since February 2022, the key importers remain Belgium, Spain, and France, which together account for 88 percent of the EU’s Russian LNG imports during the last 10 months.

Not a single link even mentions Germany...

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's like you believe Germany exists in a vacuum and can't comprehend that LNG that EU purchases also goes to Germany. 😂

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It like you are not able to provide a single source for that claim. I am happy to admit that it does (I honestly don't know), but at the moment youre source is "Trust me bro" and given the quality of your replies in this thread to me and others I, very politly, choose not to do so.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you're gonna troll at least troll about something that people can't google in like 2 seconds 😂 https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-dependence-imported-fossil-fuels

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Germany stopped receiving pipeline gas from Russia in late August 2022. While there is no EU embargo on natural gas, the government said shortly after the start of the war that it intended to reduce the share from Russia significantly over the course of two years. However, Russia itself reduced supplies step-by-step and halted them completely in the summer of 2022, shortly before explosions destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines – the only direct gas links between Germany and Russia

From your source. You are welcome to quote the part where it shows that Germany is getting LNG from Russia through other EU countries.

Edit: Also, look for numbers from 2023, not 2022. It's a little outdated, given the current events surrounding Russia. The charts still show Germany using Nuclear energy. Lol.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I see you don't understand the difference between intent and actual action. So far, Germany is happily receiving LNG from EU that's largely purchased from Russia. That's the real world we're living in. I love how Germans are doing an equivalent of money laundering by routing Russian LNG through third parties to convince their feeble minded public that Germany isn't actually dependent on Russian gas. 😂

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So far, Germany is happily receiving LNG from EU that's largely purchased from Russia.

Which you have repeatedly failed to show a single source for. I am not even contesting this, I just ask you to back it up. Which you haven't, albeit trying several times.

If you want to believe this I am fine with it. But untill you back it up by any source other than links that don't contain the information you are pretending they are, it remains a nice story you tell yourself to back up your world view. Which is fine, we all do. Just don't pretend you are doing anything else.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I love how you keep pretending that I haven't provided you sources.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I love how you keep pretending your sources back up anything you said. If so, please, just feel free to give us a quote.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Where's the gas that Germany consuming coming from genius?

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The German Federal Network Agency (Bundesnetzagentur) has published its gas supply preliminary figures for 2023, which show that Germany's gas imports fell by nearly 33% decrease compared to 2022. The largest quantities came from Norway (43%), the Netherlands (26%) and Belgium (22%).

Since you are claiming that Germany is using Russian gas you should be able to show me that Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium are importing Russian Gas into Germany. If you can do the you final managed to back up your claim.

Can you?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Where do Norway, Netherlands, and Belgium get gas from. Are you seriously incapable of understanding that EU is purchasing LNG and then some of that LNG is dolled out to Germany?

I've linked a lot of articles detailing where LNG in Europe is coming from in a comment earlier. Go ahead and read them.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honey, I wasn't contesting that. I just asked you to back it up.

Amd then it too ME to Google YOUR claim. I'm not saying your wrong. I'm just saying your realy fucking bad at discussing this stuff if you need outers to look up your claims. 0

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Good of you to finally admit that you're engaging in sophistry here.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How so? I just asked you back up a claim. And it took us about 15 comments before I just looked it up myself.

Anyhow, today I learned something new, which is that Germany is still using Russian LNG. Follow up question would be how much and why Belgium, France and the Netherlands are still importing, thus financially supporting the Russian war. I not asking you this, mind you. As we have learned it's more efficient if I just look it up myself 😉

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I made factual claim that's easy to verify, which is what you eventually have done yourself. I've even provided you with lots of sources to get started with that show where Europe gets its gas from. I further helped you connect the dots to understand where German LNG is coming from. Yet, here you are accusing me of not providing enough information for you. As if I'm obliged to work for free to educate you. Seems to me that you're just an incredibly entitled individual.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 3 points 9 months ago

You make the claim, you bring the source. Not that hard to understand, one would think, but what ever. I won't participate in a shouting match. Have a good one.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Last summer France imported large amounts of electricity from neighbours. Dry hot summer make rivers run dry which causes reactor shutdowns while demand is high because of airco. More solar in the french mix woild have filled the gap.

There is no 1 single magic bullet in the energy situation. It's an energy mix and always will be a mix. Nuclear is not the one magic fix it all today solution.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Nobody is advocating for any silver bullet here. I think there needs to be an energy mix from different sources. Nuclear and renewables complement each other. It's also worth noting that China is already experimenting with thorium reactors that use molten salt for coolant and don't need water.

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/06/china-thorium-molten-salt-experimental-reactor-is-licensed-for-operation.html