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I'm trying to find moderate and intelligent people to have discussions with without political psychosis and all the arrogant I'm smarter than everyone who disagrees with me bullshit. It seems every community here is hard left who think things like this post are Nazi declarations because I'm not buying their nonsense. Any suggestions?

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You don't know "moderates" if you think they'll accomplish anything, their whole deal is not accomplishing anything.

They've got the pacing of Ents

[–] MGN22@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm not looking to accomplish anything. I'm seeking to understand everything. Or at least as much as I can. That's not going to happen with all these ideologues.

[–] amio@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Unlike you, who're devoid of ideology and perfectly rational, right?

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That is an excellent point.

To understand what the hell's going on with the entire world, right now, there is 1 book you need:

Daniel Kahneman's "Thinking Fast & Slow".

All the factions which are fighting to displace/obliterate considered-reasoning from having any authority,

be they political, "religious", or any ideology/prejudice, are simply trying to enforce the mere-animal imprint-reaction system, Kahneman System-1, and its rule of the whole world.

Once you understand that all the "political" and "religious" identities are actually "makeup" on top of that limbic-brain/mind drive, then you understand that nearly nobody on the entire planet is "fighting the right war".

Everbody is fighting the appearances, and losing the real war, underlying it all.

Both Leninism & Murdochism use "education", Murdoch through TV instead of school, in order to enforce dictatorship.

Leninism enforces "proletariat dictatorship" and Murdochism enforces "populist dictatorship", but they're fundamentally the same thing: obliteration of considered-reasoning from all authority.

See it, see it globally, see that all who want to displace all diversity with their political-rule .. are all playing the same game, just different factions within that "our-faction-rules-the-herd" game.

The only actual-alternative is ruthless-systematic-objectivity, and NO government would tolerate that cutting out its entitlement, its privilege, its inertia, its institutionality, its corruption, its politics, etc.

None of them.

So, The Great Filter continues progressing, while ClimatePunctuation continues accelerating ( as it will continue accelerating for at-least a century or 2: planets are systems with huge inertia ).

"We Won The Wrong War & PROVED That We Wouldn't Grow-Up" looks like it will be our-kind's species-epitaph.


Read Kahneman's "Thinking Fast & Slow" & see for yourself how everything fits together, then.

Understand that when the Christian's bible says, in Genesis, that women "ate of the fruit of the knowledge of Good & Evil", that means women ate Morality, and then shared it with men.

Men have been twisting that truth for literally-millenia into mysogyny, falsely-accusing women of sin, when it was honest-moral-anxiety that women ( mothering ) earned, then shared that categorically-beyond-mere-animals morality with men.

"The meek shall inherit the Earth" meant women.

No lies, no gaslighting, no machiavellian male-supremacism, just making the world balance, counteracting/undoing the many-millenia of mysogyny that bullying-male-culture has enforced.

Action-reaction.

But humankind won't tolerate evolution.

Ah, there's another book: Kegan & Lahey's "Immunity to Change", about how our unconscious-mind fights-off growing-up, to protect established-dysfunction.. and how to dismantle that..

So, you'd actually need Kahneman's book to see what's going on, & really understand it, & you'd need Kegan & Lahey's book to understand how it could be changed into human-viability, and then you'd understand what everyone needs to be understanding, but .. only you would be able to benefit from it.

The 3rd in the set would have to be Logan, King, & Fischer-Wright's "Tribal Leadership", in which they convert their research into readable book form, showing the 5 modes/levels of social-process/culture-process, and when you read that one, then you can understand how the systematic-trashing-of-parenting by working-destitution, in the US, methodically increases nihilistic violence ( level-1 ), narcissism ( level-3 ), conspiracism ( level-2 ), etc, and how the US is enforcing its own strategic-butchering as systematically as it can.

You want understanding?

Read those 3, & see with more competent "eyes".

Salut, Namaste, & Kaizen.

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[–] amio@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

wtf are you talking about, Jesse