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There you go being a child again. Somebody questioned your beliefs so you had to resort to insults, because your arguments are lacking.
Sure we do. My intention with my voting is to reduce deaths.
That's not how it works. This is not just a personal decision, it is a systemic problem.
Because there is more people there. You can't have murders if there aren't people in an area.
It’s not an insult. It’s what you are doing. You didn’t question a thing. You went full edge lord.
How to say you don’t understand murder statistics. It’s done by a ratio per 100k. Democrat runs cities have massive problems with people killing each other.
Why I live in red areas. I don’t want to deal with the crime and violence. When we have it creep into our area, the police come and crush it as they should.
Cool. I'll keep that in mind going forward, and I'll be ready to call others edge lords the moment they say something dumb.
I am aware statistics use per capita measurements.
And here is where your argument falls apart. You aren't accounting for population density, which effects crime and homicide rates. If nobody interacts with one another because they're in the middle of nowhere, they can't kill each other.
That and the acorns. Jokes aside, you are an edge lord for saying this. Normal people don't fetishize cops like this.
Cite for that. That sounds like something you made up.
That isn’t an edge lord comment. That’s what we pay the police to do. Their job is to remove the criminal element from society. Democrats tolerate murder and celebrate it. Republicans want to live in a crime free society.
You're asking me to prove that you can't homicide somebody that doesn't exist.
This is just more edge lord fetishization of the police.
That is not true.
I'd ask you in earnest to provide a citation, but you're not here for honest discussion.
/u/blamemeta, are you going to call winter out for treating democrats as a monolith, or will this double standard continue?
Yet you guys are doing everything in your power to kill public education, social welfare, and the vertical mobility of Americans. You guys don't care about crime except when it is convenient, and you can ignore your own contributions to crime.
You made the claim. I’m asking you to cite your claim.
Easy enough.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/593517-cori-bush-says-she-wont-stop-saying-defund-the-police-despite-pressure-from/amp/
Democrats are pushing to defund the police which has caused a large spike in crime.
Do you expect citations from people saying water is wet?
"Majority of democrats pressure singular democrat over widely misunderstood phrase" equates to democrats celebrating murder? What a joke.
Pointing to a single democrat does not represent all democrats
The article itself states that she is in the minority position, even amongst democrats, further making her a bad representation of democrats on this issue
"Defund the police" is widely misunderstood as a phrase
Even if she literally meant "no police should exist" instead of the much more common meaning, that statement is not a celebration of crime or murder
So you've failed on multiple levels. Great job ignoring the rest of what I said though.
From Google:
Words have meaning. Using words to represent new meanings breaks down our ability to communicate and think.
If Democrats didn’t want to mislead people, they shouldn’t have started using this “phrase” (Sorry it’s a slogan not a phrase. Again, words have definitions).
I agree it is a terrible and misleading phrase with a very confused meaning. Which just adds to why it is a terrible quote to use to support winter's claim.
I used the word as the democrats did. It’s led to a massive increase in crime, more criminals on the streets and less cops. We also have shortage of cops in large cities. Imagine that. Why would someone want to be a cop in a city where they don’t value your services?
The city I live in divided into red/blue areas. I live in a red area. We have quick police response. They deal with the issue and we don’t complain about it.
I had some homeless people by my house. Called the cops and they were hauled away in less than an hour. That’s what I want from my police force. Quick, professional responses to criminal activity.
Crime is currently downtrending.
This is beyond parody.
That isn’t parody. The police asked me to stop spraying them with a hose and instead they would be remove them. Fair enough.
Is this a troll, or are you really this cruel?
Nothing cruel about it. Don’t trespass. It’s not that complicated. I get you hate the law but it’s why we have a polite society. So instead I call the police and they take them to jail.
I'd like to hear you say that after becoming homeless for a few years and sprayed with water in the winter.
Pretty fucking hard to do when your very existence is considered trespassing.
I will never be homeless. I’m not a Junkie or someone who won’t work.
lol. Nobody said their existence is trespassing. Laying in my yard or walking on my private street is trespassing. Don’t do it. It’s that simple.
I pitty you.
Thanks. That means I’m doing it right
While some part of me agrees with you, that this is entertaining and laughable. I think it is more sad than anything. I can't imagine being so cruel and devoid of empathy for my fellow humans. To have reality be so twisted to think myself the good guy for causing further suffering of people society cast out.
Either they are:
a troll (therefore nothing you do will sway them)
they are genuinely telling the truth and believe their actions just
Even if it's the second case, I don't think you'll ever convince them. The kind of person that hoses down a homeless person, and label then as undesirables is not one that can be swayed by internet comments. If it isn't a larp, winter has previously stated they own 3 homes and IIRC used to be a cop. That's not the type of person who has the capacity for empathy. And I pitty anyone who is so fundamentally broken like that.
Winter is not somebody you can ever convince. A given passer-by, looking inquisitively into the community when it occasionally pops up when sorting by new, those are the fence sitters still possible to be convinced.
I only wish this comment chain was front and center, so said passers-by can see how unabashed conservatism cruelty is.
I full agree with everything you said here. But I think it is going way too far to think that they will ever understand. They clearly get off on the idea of opposing leftist values for the sake of it.
I'll do my part just as you to stop this place from being an echo chamber. But assuming they're not a troll, winter is too far in the deep end. They could lose everything, become a drug addicted homeless person spat on by the rich, brutalized by the police, and thrown in jail for existing and they'd still find a way to blame anybody but themselves and conservatism.
My best friend is trans. Maybe if you had stopped trolling, you would have realized that since I mentioned it. We hang out all the time with her friends, many of whom are trans.
I have voted blue in the past. Had you paid attention, you would have known that. My favorite senator was a Conservative Democrat from Missouri. Ike Skelton. I also voted for Obama twice.
Instead of trolling, try engaging in a conversation.
I have no pain except a bum being on my property. The pain is easily removed by the police.
Their mistakes are not my problem. My problem is they are on my property. My job isn't to solve their problem. That is your problem to solve. My problem is to get them off my property. The police do that for me. I just have to make the call.
I have compassion for people worth having compassion for. I have no compassion for people who are a burden on society and commit crimes.
Water isn’t wet in science. So yes. I’d expect them to cite misinformation.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/is-water-wet
Rest of what you said was babble.
Democrats support crime. Most criminals are democrats. Democrats have destroyed most police departments with their hostile action. Major cities can’t hire officers because of the democrats.
No cash bail? That’s the democrats.
Police work to reduce crime and it’s why I support funding the police and strong prison sentences.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/miss%20the%20forest%20for%20the%20trees
Your first attempt at proving it failed spectacularly, so you're just moving on to the next thing, which is rather disappointing.
It didn’t fail. It hit the mark. I can cite other things but you’ll continue to act in bad faith. You make things up then when asked to back up your claim. You hurl insults. When you are corrected, you hurl insults. So I’ll leave it at that.
Then perhaps you didn't read what I said:
"Majority of democrats pressure singular democrat over widely misunderstood phrase" equates to democrats celebrating murder? What a joke.
Pointing to a single democrat does not represent all democrats
The article itself states that she is in the minority position, even amongst democrats, further making her a bad representation of democrats on this issue
"Defund the police" is widely misunderstood as a phrase
Even if she literally meant "no police should exist" instead of the much more common meaning, that statement is not a celebration of crime or murder
I came in here with an actual argument, that democrats are trying to reduce deaths, and you immediately called me an edge lord. If anyone is acting in bad faith here it is you.
I havent insulted you. To quote a non insult, "You're an edgelord. It’s what you are doing. You didn’t question a thing. You went full edge lord."
Don't want me saying these things? Maybe you should behave yourself. Don't insult me and I won't insult you. It's not that hard winter.