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Peaceful and non-violent are synonyms….
You also contradict yourself as well. You say to be non-violent, then you say you can’t be peacefully disruptive… those contradict each other.
If me and my fellow protestors block a road, we are being non-violent, but we are being disruptive.
And that is peaceful as well, until it isn’t.
...and in 99% of the cases where it stops being "peaceful" it's because cops come in and violently assault everyone to try to break up the protest.
I'm really not sure of the point you're trying to make. Protest can be peaceful, non-violent and disruptive.
You’re the one arguing with me after I said protests are peaceful. What the fucking hell is going on here?
Sorry, my bad, I confused you with the guy above you. That ones on me.
No, they aren't. You must be disruptive, which isn't peaceful.
How can you be non-violent and not peaceful at the same time…? lmfao. They mean the exact same thing.
Hmm I see what the dictionaries are saying but (using an example from above) I think argument exists that:
If me and my fellow protestors block a road, we are being non-violent, but we are not being peaceful.
But it's Friday and no time for argument!
What’s not peaceful about blocking a road?
The argument falls apart when you ask for the difference lol.
Peaceful: freedom from disturbance; tranquility.
It is a disturbance to the system, and it isn't tranquil. They are not synonyms. Non-violent means you aren't hurting anyone, peaceful means you aren't disturbing anything. You can't be violent and peaceful but you can be non-violent and non-peaceful. Peace is sufficient but not necessary for non-violence.
Literally the next definition after that one….
SYNONYMS…
Peaceful literally means non-violent…. Literally defines the bloody term lmfao.
One definition of peaceful is synonymous, and one isn't. This is exactly why language has so many synonyms, each one is sliiiightly different. Choosing one intentionally instead of another is important.
In this instance, "peace" is being defined (not directly, but through context) as status quo, going about your day unhindered. "Violence" is being defined as causing direct physical harm to a person, and possibly property depending on who you ask.
With these definitions laid out, it's easy enough to see a situation that is not violent (no one got hurt at all) and also not peaceful (some people's days were interrupted) - one person mentioned blocking a road. This is a FANTASTIC example of non-peaceful non-violent protest. No one likes a pedant.
Goes on a bloviated pedantic rant…
Yep, just like the people trying to say blocking a road isn’t peaceful. They are trying to pedantically choose a definition to make a point. Blocking a road is absolutely peaceful, trying to explain it any other way would be to be pendantic. Lmfao.
So, overlapping meanings, not synonyms
They are both, one is defined by other, AND they are synonyms.
Isn’t language fucked up?
I see a lot of other people have responded with examples and argument.
So I'll disagree and say the argument falls apart when I don't argue. (Cause it's Friday. You ain't got no job. You ain't got shit to do. I'm gonna get you high today.)
Disruptive doesn't mean violent, but it isn't peaceful.
Peaceful and non-violent mean the exact same thing…
They do not.
Peaceful and non-violent mean the exact same thing…
Skydiving isn't peaceful, but it certainly isn't violent.
What’s not peaceful about skydiving…?
I'd go with the wind, noise, speed, and imminent possiblity of death.
So going for a drive wouldn’t be peaceful either…?
So… driving again? Or riding a motor bike? Not peaceful…? Strange perspective to have…
Strange example to try and use lol.
Go ahead, take a nice bath, read a book, or do some origami while skydiving, or driving at 200mph with the top down.
You know what is peaceful? Take a hike.
Getting chased by bears is peaceful..? Getting attacked by wasps is peaceful…?
Anything can be twisted one way or the other dude lol.
You're making petty, empty, semantic "arguments" and you know it.
Also, whoosh.
And I knew that, lmfao hence why I gave you the same stupid bull shit.
This is what my argument is.
You can’t be non-violent without also being peaceful…
So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.
Ah, so if someone catches a charge for disturbing the peace, then they must have been violent?
1st definition of peaceful. adjective
You are factually wrong on this statement.
The term is “causing a disturbance” they avoid that term for a very good reason.
You understand a word can mean multiple things… yeah…?
There is no first definition, just multiple, they aren’t ranked, other dictionaries have the one I put first. So what point do you think that was making?
I thought your point was that neither definition fit my usage of peaceful? Is that not what you meant by...
Does skydiving involve war or violence…? It fits both and neither depending on how you twist it… yeesh.
They do not.
Peaceful means not being disturbed, nonviolent means no violence.
Peaceful literally means non-violent.
If you are being non-violent by definition you are also being peaceful….
Non-violent in the context of political action does not exclude property damage and looting. A non violent protest is still disruptive, it's the entire point