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The CIS analysis she cites does point out potential flaws in the data showing that illegal immigrants have a lower crime rate than citizens. However the CIS analysis is even more flawed and potentially misleading.
It criticizes the CATO institute analysis that it undercounts convictions of illegal immigrants that are later identified after conviction. And then it states takes the clear outlier that is the 2012-2014 data and states that (logically) because of time that these statistics are wildly undercounted.
From 2015 on though, the undercount is consistently between .4 and .6 per 100k. The data supports there is an undercount but doesn't support that we "just haven't counted them yet" despite the logic behind the idea. And despite this undercount, in 2016 the analysis that immigrants are convicted of less homicide is actually correct even.
Of course Ann is dishonest. She leads with an unfortunate tragedy to get an emotional response, takes an outlier in the data to make the outrageous claim that illegal immigrants commit 30% more homicides than citizens (leaving out the per 100k qualifier as well). It's seems she isn't interested in fixing the problem, she just wants people mad as hell about it. She also has inherit bias against the CATO study because it directly names her outrageous and unprovable claim that there exists "immigrant privilege" in the prison system that leads to child rape.
I don't know why I waste my time doing research for people, hopefully it inspires people to form their own opinions. I do think that we have a refugee crisis at the border and in American cities right now. Crime committed by illegal immigrants is definitely a part of it. Cheap political mud isn't a part of the complex solutions needed to address the crisis though.
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Why would using or not using the per 100k change the 30% value?
Because words have meaning and omitting words to mislead shows bad faith on Ann’s part. While illegal immigrants having a 30% higher crime rate per 100k is bad, saying “illegal immigrants commit 30% more murders” is misleading. It implies that of the total number of murders, illegal immigrants commit 30% more than citizens.
Btw good breakdown. This is the type of comments and discussion I like.