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The US primaries and the general election are two different things. Voting uncommitted in the primary expresses support for the Palestinian plight and does not give Republicans any ground.

The uncommitted movement presents a safe and effective avenue for voters to voice dissatisfaction with President Biden’s policies, particularly with the Israel-Hamas conflict. By doing so in the primary, voters can signal discontent without risking a Republican victory in the general election. The purpose is to send a wake-up call to the Biden administration that it is failing to address issues and effectively engage with the party, vis a vis that Biden is enabling a genocide.

That being said, anyone who calls for an uncommitted or third-party vote in the general election i will personally kick in the gender neutral balls (in Minecraft).

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[–] horsey@lemm.ee 118 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's not the message though, so this is disingenuous or misleading. We all 98% agree the US should tell Israel to quit their shit and not give them more funds or weapons, and that it's disappointing Biden and 90% of the US political establishment have supported this. However, what people are told is we should not vote for Biden, and vote third party or not vote, to 'send the Democrats a message'. Enough people doing that would have the predictable result of getting Trump elected, so yeah, it's a decent question why people would suggest that when a Trump admin would surely be worse on the Palestine issue.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Enough people doing that would have the predictable result of getting Trump elected,

I agree with this and it's what I'm afraid of. I totally support voting in the primary as you wish, even just to send a message (I support voting how you wish in all cases). But in this case using primary voting to send a dissatisfied message about the Democratic candidate has me worried it will instead send a wider message (or mass media will push this message) that the US populace feels Biden is unpopular compared to Trump.

Which is absolutely not the case with the vast majority of people voting against Biden in the primary. But that kind of message (accidental or intentional) can do real harm to prevent a literal fascist takeover in November. This is the totality of my concern and if we weren't facing down the potential end of democracy in the US, I'd give a lot less shits about potentially torpedoing Biden's chances. And I feel a lot of the hate against Biden has galvanized right around the time the primary season started which seems convenient for Trump.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 10 points 9 months ago

It’s almost like sending bombs to kill innocent children might be one of those wedge issues

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 36 points 9 months ago (4 children)

you misunderstand the us primary election process.

The uncommitted movement presents a safe and effective avenue for voters to voice dissatisfaction with President Biden’s policies, particularly with the Israel-Hamas conflict. By doing so in the primary, voters can signal discontent without risking a Republican victory in the general election. The purpose is to send a wake-up call to the Biden administration that it is failing to address issues and effectively engage with the party, vis a vis that Biden is enabling a genocide.

[–] horsey@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

No, I sure don’t. Talking endless shit about Biden will affect more than the primary.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Talking endless shit about Biden will affect more than the primary.

i agree! and so does the uncommitted movement. that’s why a third party or uncommitted vote will not be called after the primary. the shit talking will generally end as soon as the primaries are over, regardless of the outcome.

you seem to be here in good faith so i encourage you to look more into what the uncommitted movement is thinking. these aren’t stupid folks and they well understand the concerns which you bring up and are strategizing within that very framework. perhaps you will be led to interrogate assumptions you had previously made, perhaps not. :)

[–] horsey@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I find it pretty unlikely the one sided criticism of the Democratic Party and politicians will end after the primary, and you're ignoring that not everyone receiving these messages is on board with your theory. Oh, he's "genocide joe" only til the primary is done, then vote for him! And meanwhile you're going to continue strangely never saying anything critical or realistic about Trump and Republicans, right?

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[–] knightly@pawb.social 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If you don't want to hear people shit-talking Biden then you need to either avoid politics altogether or stick to a filter bubble that doesn't tolerate such criticism.

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[–] null@slrpnk.net 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And most people aren't saying you need to vote for Biden in the primary. They're talking about the general.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 9 months ago (17 children)

yes, for the love of all that is holy vote for biden in the general 🫠🙏🙏

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