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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Well it doesnt help that studies post covid restrictions found many of said restrictions where ineffective. Masks tho we have good evidance they work at least.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 37 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Masks are more effective in protecting others if you are sick, rather than protecting yourself if others are sick. We should have the attitude that protecting others is good.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

We should have the attitude that protecting others is good.

This flies in the face of North American “exceptional/radical individualism”.

Asian societies are largely collective. You do what you can to serve others, putting the needs of the community ahead of your own, and this leads to tighter-knit, stronger, and more resilient communities.

North American society is based on “muh rights” individualism, where the person is most important, and society needs to serve their needs, and not the other way around. This leads to weak, ephemeral, almost non-existent communities that are there only in name, or by a fluke of geography that makes completely random people cluster together without ever making serious or deep social connections.

Of the two, the former might end up being stifling to creatives and neuroatypicals, but the latter cannot survive any significant challenge without a significantly negative impact on the “community”.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago

The 2 party political system flies in the face of basic individualism.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They still do reduce transmission to yourself but yeah, the big win is in not spreading it yourself.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My favorite metaphor for the subject: If you're wearing pants, it's really hard to piss on other people.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Masks are more effective in protecting others if you are sick, rather than protecting yourself if others are sick.

This was 100% not the messaging that was told to the public in the beginning.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago

I think they dumb down messaging too much. But then again, with what we know now, it's not like the public is behaving responsibly. But thats not a messaging problem.

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

As always, it's better to recommend more strict restrictions when you don't know if they're effective and there's an impact on public health. Hindsight is 20/20

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't know about other countries, but the on and off lockdowns in some countries proved to be ineffective. Many experts said it's better to do lockdown in one go than it being staggered and having different levels of restrictions. But on the one hand, the totalitarian zero-COVID restriction like had happened in China is just as ineffictive.

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 3 points 8 months ago

Yep, the lockdown waves probably weren't ideal for preventing viral spread, but we now know they were at least better than doing nothing.

Hopefully we learn for next time

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If you're going to lock the country down then you need to support small businesses too. Imagine spending long nights building a business only to see it disappear under COVID restrictions. And then you learn that the restrictions weren't necessary.