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[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That's not how the ADA works. You could say the same for wheelchair ramps, but ultimately it's on the store owner to reasonably provide accomodations to people who want to use their services. It's not on the disabled person to pick and select who will accommodate them or not. It's why businesses are required to reserve a portion of their parking lot to those with handicap placards. It shouldn't be up to each disabled person to figure out which business they can go to.

What Starbucks is doing would be akin to Walmart charging an extra buck for you to use one of their mobility scooters or an extra $5 if you require the assistance from an employee because you can't reach something.

[–] nolefan33@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

I don't know the ins and outs of the ADA, but I disagree with your analogy. What Starbucks is doing is akin to Walmart charging a different price for milk and oat milk, which I don't think anyone would say is not allowed. It's not like there's a sheet of lactose you have to walk through to get into a Starbucks or anything, there's just things on the menu that people with some food allergies can't order.

[–] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Lactose intolerance is not a disability.

You cant sue Five Guys because you have a peanut allergy and they didn’t provide you a safe peanut free environment.

You can’t sue McDonald’s because they don’t have a non dairy cheese replacement for your cheeseburger.

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lactose intolerance, along with all other food allergies and intolerances, is a medical condition which is protected under the ADA. You don't have to accomodate it, but if you do, you cannot charge extra for it.

Five Guys has peanut allergy signs on the doors. They are safe.

McDonald's hamburgers are cheaper than their cheeseburgers. They are safe.

A Starbucks latte is offered with dairy or a non-dairy creamers, and they charged more for the latter, violating the ADA rights of every lactose intolerant customer that purchased a non-dairy latte.

[–] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

But a latte is a dairy based product, the non dairy cheaper alternative would be coffee. As the non dairy cheaper alternative of a cheeseburger is to remove the cheese.

[–] yogurt@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

ADA doesn't care about cheaper, watching the movie with no dialogue is cheaper than giving a closed captioning box to deaf people, but theaters still have to do it. The standard is undue burden. Starbucks is going to have a hard time claiming it's going to bankrupt them if they can't charge extra for oat milk.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Black coffee and a latte are not the same product just because they both are coffee-based drinks. A latte doesn't use brewed coffee at all, it uses espresso shots, and thus is mostly milk, not coffee. If you ordered a latte and got a cup of black coffee, that doesn't even come close to what you ordered, unlike your hamburger/cheeseburger analogy where only the cheese of the difference

Either way, Starbucks does provide a non-dairy alternative for their latte however already: oat milk, almond milk, and soy milk, but they charge for those alternatives and that is where the issue is.

If they did not provide alternatives at all, or if they did not charge extra, there would be no issue. They either would have to remove the alternative options, which would reduce choice for everyone, or provide an alternative at no additional cost, which only eats into their massive profit margins a tiny bit. At wholesale bulk amounts like they buy, the cost difference is negligible for the product, and the markup on that substitution is insane.

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

the non dairy cheaper alternative would be coffee

Not if they offer non-dairy creamer it isn't...

If an accomodation is offered you cannot charge extra for it. This is not a difficult concept.

If McDonald's offered vegan cheese as a substitute for their cheeseburgers, and they upcharged someone with lactose intolerance, they'd be in the same trouble. That's why they never brought the McPlant to US markets - because they didn't want to introduce an accommodation they couldn't monetize.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Unless they claim to have an allergen-free kitchen.