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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Eh I disagree with some jobs. Teachers are supposed to be role models to students and keep certain things private.

The problem is we aren't paying teachers adequately for that. It reminds me of essential workers during the pandemic. If we need these people so badly, or we're asking them to be role models and be private about certain things, then we should be paying them much, much more.

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even if teachers are supposed to be role models for students which I think is debatable it certainly is not applied outside the classroom. They will never be paid enough in any world to warrant them crafting their entire being as if they are some K-pop idols.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

I'd take it a step further and say that nude modeling doesn't make a bad role model. People don't generally get into a line of work unless they want to or are pressured into it (directly or indirectly). Someone who doesn't want anyone to see their body won't start a nude OF just because their favorite teacher did it. They'll start one because they want to sell nudes or because they want to pay bills and have exhausted other options.

That last bit is more evil than any kind of voluntary sex work. People sell their bodies for worse things than sex work. Like mining, the farming work that depends on illegal immigrants (or legal ones whose bosses assume they won't raise a stink if labour laws aren't followed), or a bunch of factory or construction work that exposes people to fumes and dust they probably shouldn't be inhaling. Shit that leaves them broken, or with cancer or some other disease that shortens their life. If someone can sell pictures of their bodies to avoid that kind of work, IMO that's a good role model.

[–] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Is it, in your eyes, morally wrong to sell naked photos of yourself?

The porn industry has many, many problems, and OnlyFans has just recently been targeted by an investigative piece by Reuters journalists for doing little about people using their platform to sell non-consensual nude pictures, or even videos of rape, but as long as you yourself are doing it of your own free will, I don't see the problem, even if you are a teacher.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How is doing sex work being a bad role model?

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I want you to know that I don't have an answer for this and that you've made me think about this from a different angle, which I very much appreciate. It's a very good point.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for saying so! I have to admit that my comment is almost adressed to myself as much as to you. I was raised with all the sexual hang ups of conservative Christianity. The idea of my daughter growing up and choosing to do sex work certainly makes me uncomfortable. But I also would like my daughter to be unashamed of her sexuality when she grows up, and I wouldn't want her to be judged no matter how she chooses to express herself. I also believe sex work can be an incredibly compassionate form of labor, providing human connection to people starved of affection.

On the other hand, I do have some reservations about sex work, particularly when it comes to outright prostitution. Can someone have sex with so many people and still maintain the ability to have a full, healthy relationship with a partner? What are the consequences for social stability of making it so easy for men to cheat on their partners?

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think I'm in the exact same position as you. Generally speaking I tend to be personally conservative about sex and relationships -- not really into hook up culture, thinking sex should be with someone you deeply love, etc.

That said, as a single, nearly 30 year old dude, I do watch porn, and it's usually by independent content creators, not studios. I find the idea of maligning those women for what they do to be utterly reprehensible, and peak hypocrisy. If I were in their shoes, there's a decent chance I'd also post nudes and try to monetize it.

Yet, at the same time, I don't like subscribing to only fans, because it just feels wrong, like on a core level personally. On some level, I'm wary of getting overly invested in someone and having a weird parasocial thing. I'm glad that I've given them money in the short term though.

Human sexuality is really weird, and the way society plays into it makes it nigh incomprehensible sometimes how we feel and act about it.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago

Human sexuality is really weird, and the way society plays into it makes it nigh incomprehensible sometimes how we feel and act about it.

I couldn't agree more