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The Danish health minister should “get on a plane and visit” some of the thousands of women thought to be living with the consequences of being forcibly fitted with the contraceptive coil as children, Greenland’s gender equality minister has said.

In an attempt to reduce the population of the former Danish colony, at least 4,500 women and girls are believed to have undergone the medical procedure, usually without their consent or knowledge, at the hands of Danish doctors between 1966 and 1970 alone.

The total number of those affected by the procedures, thought to have continued for decades, is understood to be far higher. Victims and their lawyers say generations of Inuit women were left traumatised and suffering reproductive complications, including infertility, as a result of the Danish state’s policy.

Earlier this month, a group of 143 women sued the Danish state over the alleged violations, but they have yet to receive a response from the government, despite the Danish prime minister visiting Greenland – now an autonomous territory of Denmark – soon after.

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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 19 points 6 months ago (67 children)

a very white way of thinking

Can people nowadays state an opinion without being racist?

Other than that the story is horrible. It won't fix the problem for many (most?) of them, but I hope they get as much money as they can by suing the government.

[–] livus@kbin.social 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Pretty ironic though. That comment was in the context of talking about how easy it is for people to dismiss the abuse these Indigenous women went through.

Cue, an entire comment section that is mostly focussed on discussing whether white people feel attacked, than the decades of hell these women endured.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Which goes to show how you undermine your own important message if you lace it with your own racist language.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's one way to admit that some white people will put their delicate sensibilities over and above actual genocide.

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[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Reverse racism is bullshit because "white" as a category is only exclusionary. It does not exist to acknowledge any culture or nationality. I am white but would lose nothing from my identity if the concept were abolished tomorrow.

It is a political category that exists purely to discriminate against those who fall outside of it. In that sense, this eugenics program was indeed "a very white way of thinking".

You don't have to identify with that if you're white. You can reject the concept of race as being valid - it is unscientific and entirely socially constructed - whilst still recognising that racial categories and racism have real consqeuences and do real harm.

EDIT: I'm not interested in continuing to debate with people who have no interest in understanding. For anyone who actually cares to educate themselves, here is some information.

Dictionary definitions of racism aren't enough, you need to actually study the subject. This is a decent article on the subject, which paraphrases my favourite saying on the matter, "noticing racism is not the real racism": https://www.vu.edu.au/about-vu/news-events/news/what-is-reverse-racism-and-whats-wrong-with-the-term

And they reference this paper, which gives an academic definition of racism: Racism equals power plus prejudice: A social psychological equation for racial oppression.

Racism requires a power imbalance on a societal level. Without that, you can have prejudicial attitudes, but they don't rise to the level of racism. As a white person, you can say whatever you want about white people to me and it doesn't threaten me much, because white people are not oppressed in our society.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 10 points 6 months ago

As a mixed-race individual, it's not about whether race is a valid identifier in any objective sense or not. Our society still puts a great deal of emphasis on race regardless.

I wouldn't consider my identity particularly 'white', but when that's used to denigrate me, like I'm only part-valid? That feels like shit. Something between rage and absolute isolation.

[–] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Your point fails to recognize that the US isn't the only country in the world. 'black' as a concept makes no sense on the global scale either and the internet does exist in other countries too.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

European empires colonised the world centuries ago and invented the concept of race to justify why they were treating everyone else as sub-human. Britain exported that ideology to the US, and both of their empires, amongst many others, exported the concept globally. No continent on Earth was spared. I live in Australia and the Indigenous people here talk about "black fellas" and "white fellas" to describe their particular experience of racist oppression.

To claim "black" as a racist concept only exists in the US just proves that you don't know very much about the topic.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Reverse racism is bullshit because "white" as a category is only exclusionary. It does not exist to acknowledge any culture or nationality. I am white but would lose nothing from my identity if the concept were abolished tomorrow.

That's a nice point actually

I would be considered white now in the US, but 120 years ago, I wouldn't have been.

And personally, I don't identify one way or the other, because it's not an aspect I measure people by.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

There's nothing reverse about it, it's plain racism.

This is the definition:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

Except the minority everything checks out. Note the word "typically" when referring to minority.

Unless you want to change the definition of racism (which many of you fellas seem to want to), racism against white people is just racism, nothing "reverse" about it.

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