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The United States of America, but for Trans People (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by alphanerd4@lemmy.world to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/13932170

This will have been drawn from the work of Erin Reed Though its worth noting her only firm, DO NOT TRAVEL, so far, is florida. Though the rest are of course still dangerous.

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[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/transgender/understanding?lang=eng

“Church leaders counsel against elective medical or surgical intervention for the purpose of attempting to transition to the opposite gender of a person’s birth sex (“sex reassignment”). Leaders advise that taking these actions will be cause for Church membership restrictions.

Leaders also counsel against social transitioning. A social transition includes changing dress or grooming, or changing a name or pronouns, to present oneself as other than his or her birth sex. Leaders advise that those who socially transition will experience some Church membership restrictions for the duration of this transition.

This reminds me very much of the "hate the sin, not the sinner" that never actually happened.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/official-statement/same-gender-attraction

Let us be clear: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that ‘the experience of same-sex attraction is a complex reality for many people. The attraction itself is not a sin, but acting on it is.

Mormons are not at all tolerant. Just because they aren't calling for the death of LGBT people, and are still willing to take their tithes, doesn't make them tolerant.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Mormons are not at all tolerant. Just because they aren’t calling for the death of LGBT people, and are still willing to take their tithes, doesn’t make them tolerant.

You are conflating tolerance with approval. There's a spectrum of attitudes one might have towards any particular group of people. Here they are with most friendly on the left and most unfriendly on the right:

Kinship -- Friendship -- Approval -- Tolerance -- Disapproval -- Distrust -- Fear -- Hatred

Tolerance is the acceptance or putting up with something that one doesn't approve of. Institutionally (and broadly among individuals) the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is tolerant of LGBT people, but it doesn't not approve of LGBT lifestyles. It sounds like you want more than tolerance. In a pluralistic society, I don't think that is a reasonable position to take.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

In a modern society, people who discriminate against others about their gender or orientation are called bigots. I'm fine with calling LDS that.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The religion's teachings expressly prohibit discrimination on any basis. Seems to me the only bigot here is you.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 2 points 7 months ago

They very clearly say they disallow gay people from taking full part in the church. But ok, keep defending Mormons bigot.