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Telegraph investigation reveals those on front line are being exposed to gases banned during wartime

Russian troops are carrying out a systematic campaign of illegal chemical attacks against Ukrainian soldiers, according to a Telegraph investigation.

The Telegraph spoke to a number of Ukrainian soldiers deployed in positions across the front line who detailed how their positions have been coming under near daily attacks from small drones, mainly dropping tear gas but also other chemicals.

The use of such gas, which is known as CS and commonly used by riot police, is banned during wartime under the Chemical WeaponsConvention.

Ihor, the commander of a Ukrainian reconnaissance team who is deployed near the front line city of Chasiv Yar, in Donetsk Oblast, told The Telegraph: “Nearly every position in our area of the front was getting one or two gas grenades dropped on them a day.”

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Of course they are 😕 God, they just have no shame. How will they pay for these war crimes?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They won't. In fact, if they win, they will be rewarded by rewriting their own version of history while enjoying the land they've stolen.

The only repercussion possible is for them to lose the war. That way, they will have spent all of their resources and countless lives for nothing.

They cannot be held accountable, no matter the outcome. That's why ignoring rules works for perfectly them.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't understand how we can have these international laws without any enforcing. Very frustrating.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is how all laws work, its just with international law, the only people shitty enough to break the big ones are the people they protect but do not bind.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So this is how all laws work except it's very different? Or how would I interpret this? What is how all laws work?

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They're not there to protect the weak from the strong. They exist to facilitate division, and keep the weak weak by cutting out dangerous(to power) elements while keeping the objections of the populace at large minimal.

Tools for exploitation, wearing a protector's mask.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I dunno if I believe that to be 100% true, regarding the "all laws" part. But definitely a substantial amount true, for sure, sadly.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

I'm sure some were intended otherwise; I'll give you that, but they're all used the same way, the institutions around them are all pretty die hard about that, etc.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago
[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 25 points 6 months ago

How will they pay for these war crimes?

Community and instance rules prevent me from answering honestly

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

How will they pay for these war crimes?

By having to read strongly worded statements from the west.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Sweet, sweet, justice. 🤡

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You really think they actually read them?

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Of course. They gather all information they can, to use, leverage or play off of in ways that suits them. They're no spring chickens when it comes to the information game.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You say that, but they did nothing to stop ISIS terrorists from murdering people despite warnings from other countries about what their own intelligence agencies found. Kinda seems like their intelligence capabilities might not be as great as they are purported to be.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think you're better off lookin at someone's track record instead of pointing to one specific event. Outliers are everywhere and mistakes happen to the best of us. Besides, Putin's regime has bombed its own country before to amass public support for war, so it's hard to tell how much they knew about this one in advance. They might have thought it was a good opportunity to get more people to support the war and join the military by blaming the west and Ukraine.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Disgusting, but yeah, totally plausible for Putin's regime.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 6 months ago

That's the neat part. If you have nukes, you don't.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

By dying in stupid but amusing ways, like ringing a doorbell on a tree and being turned into red mist?

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This sounds suspiciously stupid. Please tell me this happened.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I saw that earlier and I loved the honesty of one of the speakers: "Honestly, I would have poked it."

Because, I mean, same.

I know it'd be dumb as all fuck, but BUTTON ON TREE

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

The human compulsion to Push The Button is strong.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Those are only the ones who follow orders though. How can we get the people who give orders to use the gas?

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If identified, they’ll never be able to leave Russia (plus a few other countries) without being arrested and sent to The Hague. Sometimes, it takes awhile and sometimes, a war criminal is never brought to justice (see: Kissinger). But Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova already have arrests warrants out for one war crime (kidnapping Ukrainian children). Putin had to video conference into a BRICS summit because South Africa is one of the 124 countries that recognizes the International Criminal Court.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Interesting, wow. Thank you for that.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The UA seems to have pretty good reach these days, I wouldn't be surprised if they delivered justice packed into a Cessna, attached to some drones, etc. or maybe some Russians who are fed up with being ground to dust for the oligarch's profit will take action.

Those rich assholes aren't as safe as they might like to think.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I like to try and be optimistic!

PUTIN FOR DEFENESTRATION, 2024!

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago
[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

And generally speaking; gas is less effective than the same mass/volume of bomb. Literally handicapping themselves to be dicks.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I imagine they are using everything they have right now, including everything in their no-no storages.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Makes sense. So dumb that the Russian people haven't killed their masters and ended this shit.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You know, that's almost the thing that baffles me the most about human history. Majority of wars fought in the modern era seems like entire armies are just blindly obeying their masters. 1 person tells thousand upon thousands, "go forth and kill those other men, and risk your lives! Why? Don't ask questions!"

"Yes sir!"

Not, "wtf lol?" [storms stage and starts stabbing]

Like, risk your lives killing another army, or risk your life killing one single dude... ⚖️🧮🤔📊📈🔮🫠

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And nobody benefits from any of it!

Hierarchy is a hell of a drug.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Indeed it is 😕