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I never made such a claim. Read the sentence. Read the context of the post. Emulation is not illegal, therefore no torte could be claimed. And short of them piercing the veil... There's no liability. Why would Yuzu devs be individually liable and need to claim bankruptcy? Answer that question before you post anything else.
That's the whole point. The company doesn't. The company folds and walks away. There's no point in fighting the lawsuit if there's already nothing on the table to lose or gain. It's not like Yuzu could counter sue and make money back for all the effort they're going to not put into the emulator while going through the process.
Nah that's because that's literally what you said. But you like going back and editing comments without making it known. I bring up how an LLC works as an idea of why folding my company would make sense. You bring up Gary Bowser like that relevant at all, with NO ties to the current conversation.
Considering I actually have one. Am successful. Have successfully defending IRS audits and lawsuits in the past, I'm going to say that I firmly understand what an LLC is and how to use it to protect you. I've never once claimed bankruptcy and have talked to lawyers about how it all works (and don't have to retain them yearly!). I am highly suspicious that you have no fucking clue what an LLC actually is, nor can even understand how it's relevant the discussion at hand.
Let's go back and pull all the questions you refused to answer.
Why is Yuzu illegal? What part of Yuzu is any different than sony v bleem!?
Where is the proof for "The key they used to make the base engine was ripped from online"?
Where did Yuzu provide bios keys?
How did Yuzu pirate code when the repo is a completely different programming language?
How was that "stolen" code even relevant when it was regarding GUI modifications?
Where is the evidence for any of this: "The dev provided the means in discord themselves, they also had a google drive with a ripped key, they also had files on discord of roms to test their gamesc which were acquired illegally."
What about the prod.keys is illegal?
What does folding the company have to do with some implication of their actions being illegal when there's plenty of alternate possibilities for why they want to shut down rather than fight Nintendo?
Or any number of other questions you never addressed?
Shit.. I'll add one more... What the fuck does Gary Bowser have to do with this thread at all? Yuzu != Gary and they're not even doing remotely close to the same things.
This person clearly doesn't understand what they are talking about, it's just a clown show at this point.
I just find it funny how even after countless people repeatedly asking him to show solid proof of Yuzu illegally distributing encryption keys the best he could come up with is some random ass user on Twitter saying the same bs claims without any proof; Twitter, a platform that's totally not over 50% bot's and a totally reputable source of information, just the peak of human intelligence over there 🙄.
I mean 90% of twitter is just rage, bait or misinformation lmfao
I've been digging into the thread using nitter and all I see is a few screenshots of allegedly "GoldenX86_64" talking some crap about a "stash" then further searching found more screenshots with conflicting information and saying unproven crap about Ryujinx. Notice how neither of them show user ID so it's impossible to verify that either of them are the real GoldenX86_64, I can literally fake this shit myself using a private server.
More over, GoldenX86_64 wasn't even a Yuzu team member despite the headliner claims, they were a 3rd party contributor and nothing more. How do I know this? Because their Github account is right here with all of its history. Literally, just use
git log&git blame.Also, I find it funny how nobody making these claims thought for a second to show any proof that these are the same person via user ID or other methods, when it took me less than 5 minutes to find the real GoldenX86_64's personal email & legal name.
Lastly, using Wayback to view the now deleted source of these claims (which is suspect as hell), you'll notice discrepancies such as "Files Owned by dysonshere.com" as well as many other mentions of dysonshere.com so... WHO IS DYSONSHERE ??, as you see can it was registered in 2022-12-31.
You expect me to believe that the devs were using this so-called "stash" for a project that started in 2013? When this "stash" was registered literally a little less than 10 years later? You can't be fucking serious. 🤦🏽♀️
More over there's no proof that Yuzu owned this domain either, therefore even if they used this "stash" which is unproven, the DMCA requires that Yuzu be the one facilitating distribution, therefore users and 3rd party contributors sharing a link on discord to a 3rd party "stash" doesn't qualify. More over, it's additionally important to note, that the use of ROMs for emulator testing doesn't qualify as copyright infringement as the copyright content regardless if dumped from legitimate hardware with legal homebrew tools or otherwise isn't included in the source. So as the DMCA requires them to be the distributors via the ROMs or via the source, which they don't meet, they don't qualify. The only legal stance that could possibly be stood on would be if they were using the SDK, which is again, unproven.
Oh, and one more thing. Why the fuck would the devs have PORN in their alleged "dev stash" ??
The math is just not mathing.
As per US law, Nintendo needs to prove beyond a responsible doubt that Yuzu infringed on their copyright. While all these allegation look bad, there are big gaping holes.
If this is all Nintendo had the case would no doubt go to Yuzu. Assuming they could possibly survive the court fees and multi year lawsuit(s) Nintendo is going to drag them though. It doesn't matter anyway, it was settled out of court so in the end Yuzu still won and didn't go bankrupt in the process, as the law stays unchanged and GPLv3 does it's thing.
💾🔬👾👩🏽💻💡It never mathed up. This why i asked very simple questions and never got anything remotely close to an answer. Ultimately it comes down to one thing though... if Nintendo was 100% correct and yuzu was 100% wrong like this lunatic believes.... wouldn't they have never settled out of court and pursued complete and utter devastation of everyone related to yuzu just to set the court precedent alone? Nintendo didn't. So...
Exactly!! Nintendo knew that if Yuzu were to press on and bleed financially just slow enough that Nintendo would take the L. Having big implications essentially permanently legalizing emulators, never being able to challenge them in any meaningful way. They just wanted the project gone so gave them a favorable deal that wouldn't complete bankrupt Yuzu, so they took it. Walked away from the project and now it's in the communities hands not to mention in the arctic vault.
Don't forget about archive.org
Uhh…. You don’t understand how a laws suit progresses apparently as well. To file a suit, you need to explain damages, if the plaintiff accepts them, you can’t suddenly go, no we want to fuck you more! They have to be reasonable and accountable, so hence why it was what it was and not anything more.
You truly have zero clue about this and this is the second time you have shown why no one should listen to you.
I already said the stuff has been deleted from their servers.
How do you expect to get solid proof…?
And I’m not going to engage with an absolute moron that thinks they can’t be held personally liable as the owner of an LLC….. Even after giving them proof they want to ignore it and pretend they weren’t wrong…. That’s not someone who will ever willingly admit they were wrong, so there’s no point in engaging further.
Even if I’m wrong, but there’s no proof they did anything right either here…. They are still completely wrong about not ever being able to be personally liable with a LLC…… the rest of what they said have lost all merit, defend the moron if you want. I gave them unequivocal proof they were wrong about something, they blew it off, I can do the same with this emulator BS and still wouldn’t belief it…………
All they have done is continually move the goalposts and ignore anything against them, so fuck me for doing the same back. I’m not going to engage with a bunch of people blindly defending someone who didn’t even try to defend the product, when others did with zero funds. It’s hilarious, they wanted their money and to run, and you guys are defending them for doing it. AWWWHHHH
You also seem to be ignoring the big part where it says an llc or its owner can be liable for its companies actions…. Or the actions yuzu did… you guys are claiming he didn’t do it, so it’s not wrong…. Uhh… he’s personally responsible for anything his company he operated did….. this is the part you guys can’t fucking figure out lmfao. It was also literally spelt out for you morons multiple fucking times. “It wasn’t him” doesn’t fucking matter… his company did it…. He fucked up even if he didn’t! Fucking hell lmfao, you guys have no idea how businesses operate or how they can be exposed.
Also, nice alt account lmfao.
You clearly don't understand US copyright law, that's the problem here. This argument is ultimately pointless, Nintendo trying to force Japanese copyright law on the US will be a never ending battle. GPLv3 makes it live on, just how GPLv3 makes Revanced live on. It'll never stop.
And yet again the goalposts get moved instead of addressing anything…. What a fucking shocker….
Why is this suddenly about “US” copyright? Nothing about the US has been mentioned until now, and where was Yuzu based anyways….
You're asking the wrong question.
The question is where was the lawsuit filed?
Huh, so it IS an llc and he would be personally liable for any illegal activities his company did…. Even if he did nothing wrong himself…..
Wow. You couldn’t have provided a worse piece of evidence against your crusade than that…
His "company" so excluding random ass users and 3rd party contributors. US copyright law is based on precedence. I'm sure you're aware of the list. Also, check out GPLv3 while you're at it.
If I have weapons cache of guns and “accidentally” leave the door unlocked, would I not be liable if they found that out? Yes, this is the exact same situation, they left their door unlocked and could have done something to prevent this from happening. They didn’t, so they are complicit. It’s not just about copyright, why are you sticking to this like it’s some smoking gun or something….?
Theres plenty of precedence going both ways, you just have to look at the correct way for it to click in your head.
The companies actions or negligence, provided means, as described above, there’s plenty of precedence where you will be liable. Sorry this doesn’t fit with your head bias, but facts don’t care.
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The only facts you’ve provided have gone against your crusade.
So… yeah you’re kinda missing the point if you think you’ve provided any facts and it’s ironic that I can’t see my head bias. What bias? I’ve given you the facts lmfao.
And instead of moving the goalposts, we move to insulting when proven wrong, what a fucking shocker….
Those are your own words. Unfortunately for you, Nintendo still lost. GPLv3 is a tweaked Copyright licensing agreement aptly nicknamed "Copyleft" with strict rights, Nintendo will never be able to kill the Hydra no matter what. They actually need to win to change the law, but they settled instead meaning section 107 of the DMCA, 1998 US copyright law goes unaltered and the original developers move on, and the community builds on top and alter the project, as per the rights granted by GPLv3. Perhaps a project that'd reach enough funding fast enough to challenge Nintendo may go for it, till then GPLv3 is a sleeping multi-headed dragon Nintendo hasn't been able to stomp out.
Just because a license says something, doesn’t mean that it can go against laws and legislations or anything else like that lmfao.
Just like a landlord having a contract from you saying X or Y, if it goes against the law, it doesn’t protect them.
All of those subsequent ones will be fine from prosecution, until they start doing what yuzu did like making money, providing means to pirate and access to keys and guides. The protection is only going to last so long until the current loopholes are closed.
Or just don’t do illegal shit and you can stay in operation, Cistra and Yuzu were fine for a decade, than they went too far and fucked up.
You can scream all you want, the facts don’t care about when your “company” crosses the line and your probably legal project gets taken with it.
To bad, GPLv3 already has all the precedence and legal backing needed to keep going, Suyu lives, I wonder what the project will be renamed to next? 😏
And suyu will continue to live until they do what yuzu did and try to profit and do things illegally.
https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/10574699
There's no need to profit from it anymore, donations exist, Nintendo created a Streisand effect.
Emulators are fine for personal use, if you are accepting donations, it’s no longer for personal use and you’ve done your illegal action…..
Why do you think the ones that don’t accept donations aren’t being targeted…? Because they are currently in a gray area. Once you start doing illegal actions… they get taken out.
That's factually incorrect. They've gone after Dolphin whom explicitly don't accept donations. Then there's, Ryujinx, Cemu, Libretro/RetroArch, emuDeck, etc. that accept donations. This again comes down to the GPLv3 which doesn't restrict the selling of binaries of the legal code nor restrict donations. Infact if one is only accepting donations, your company by U.S. copyright law are a nonprofit.
uhh… Dolphin uses the Wii key, that’s what they did wrong… each one has done an illegal activity that has lead to them being pursued.
Its really not a hard concept to try and grasp here, sorry.
Nothing about my previous comment is “factually” incorrect. Which specific part do you think I was wrong about, and provide a source to disclaim it if you want to try and make a point.
A lot of those apps are actual “donations” as well, not a patreon with locked emulator content…. If you can’t comprehend the differences of what’s being done, why the fuck are you discussing?
GPL has nothing to with donations… that’s what makes the emulator defense invalid for copyright, you’re only protected for personal use. Can you please stop conflating these very simple things……?
You have no clue how the GPLv3 works, nor U.S. Copyright law. Please stop pretending like you do.
Then why hasn't Nintendo fallowed through and killed Dolphin yet? If it's illegal, then why haven't they continued trying to sue Dolphin?
Because they are fighting it instead of rolling over like Yuzu….?
Why are we going back over the same shit again? If you don’t have anything more to try and defend Yuzu who fucked up, are we done…?
Again, factually wrong. Dolphin removed itself off the steam store to satisfy Nintendo, however it's still on the Google play store and Apple app store and actively developed so why doesn't Nintendo keep coming?
Also, Churches are non-profit, KDE Community are non-profit, Gnome is non-profit, FSF is non-profit, and so on. All of which collect donations. What makes an emulator start-up company any different in this regard?
…. Steam asked Nintendo if it was okay, and they cited the Wii key and said no, so Steam delisted it. Dolphin did nothing, and there was no DMCA claim either.
Don’t claim I’m false and spout a wrong one yourself lol.
Are you going to address the main point or are you just going to continue to prattle on?
Which point have I not addressed? You cause me of prattling, yet we’ve already established you’re moving goal posts and other fallacies. If you can’t defend a single one of your points without shooting your own foot. What are we doing here?
You accuse me of stuff and ignore me pointing out the folley in it.
You seriously are just the alt of the other account aren’t you? Can’t admit a mistake when given unequivocal evidence.
I’m blocking you now.
You haven't addressed :
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Go ahead and block me, it just makes it obvious that you're afraid to address the main point.