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There’s no such thing as a benign beef farm – so beware the ‘eco-friendly’ new film straight out of a storybook | George Monbiot (www.theguardian.com)
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the movie is titled: Six Inches of Soil

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[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Moving my reply to the comment that wasn't deleted...

Redefining the counterfactual scenario

Lord please give me the strength to not give this guy a Logic and Critical Thinking 101 lecture... Definitional retreat does not apply to what I said about the counterfactual because that was not an argument about what the term "counterfactual" means. It only applies when people argue about the definition of a word. He and I have the same definition of the word "counterfactual".

What you MEANT is that you DISAGREE with my assessment of the counterfactual scenario. But instead, you tried to make yourself seem very clever and logical and me very foolish and emotional by misappropriating a term.

Why ignore the case of less beef production out of hand

Why ignore the reality that annual beef demand is growing consistently every year? Especially in the global south, where the environmental effects of raising beef are in fact way worse.

I think you should just say what you actually want to say.

Here, I'll do my best to do it for you:

Beef production is an environmental disaster. These people working to mitigate the harms of that industry are mopping the decks of a sinking ship. If they really want to say they care about the environment, the only reasonable choice is shutting down their ranches and doing something else, because beef is just hopeless.

To which I'll respond in mostly the same way I have. That's nice and all, but beef demand is still growing. I'd rather farmers that do their best to mitigate harms raising the beef than the ones who only care about making the most short-term profit possible, damn sustainability. Keep going out there and preaching for veganism. I hope you succeed. Don't make enemies out of your allies along the way.