Not only that would be super cruel, it would also be pretty stupid, because how are you supposed to rehabilitate someone by basically just torturing them? And also, one of the good sides of prisons is keeping dangerous people away from their (potential) victims. Imagine if someone tried to murder you, went to jail, and then they got back out in 8 hours.

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 35 points 7 months ago

But now they got a plan to kill you which they has planned on for 1000 years.

[–] Ginger666@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Are you saying that prisons actually reform people now?

I thought they were just private institutions that made insane amounts of money charging people 5 dollars for a pack of ramen and limiting their ability to visit family and friends

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're not wrong, but that doesn't mean we should abandon any attempt at reformation.

[–] Ginger666@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When has there been an attempt???

People that work in prisons are basically free labor slaves, yes they get paid, but its nothing compared to the cost of living in there!

The whole system is fucked and needs to be reformed.

They need to take money out of prisons like they need to take money out of politics (good fucking luck)

I never said prisoners don't need to reformed, I said the system we have in place now is not meant to reform them.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 7 months ago

Prisoners get access to counselling, education, and a library right?

I do agree with you that the system is messed up, and making it a for-profit activity just seems plain wrong to me. That said, it's undeniable that there is some attempt at reform no matter how under-resourced.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Most prisons are not private and I don't know who "they" are supposed to be but your government isn't making money off prisons.

[–] Ginger666@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hmmmm then why do they hold you past midnight so they can get paid for an extra day of you being there?

Reading comprehension is hard. They was referring to the prisons. And just because the prison itself isn't private, doesn't mean that everything inside it is run by the government.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Hmmmm then why do they hold you past midnight so they can get paid for an extra day of you being there?

Wouldn't know, never been to jail. Show me where I said anything about this.

Reading comprehension is hard.

But being an asshole is easy. And me blocking you for it is equally as easy.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

I'm sure the cartel would like this technology. Or their big brother the US government.

The potential future horrors of the world can make suicide seem like a good idea.

[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think it would rely more on fear factor. Like they put someone under for what feels like 2 months, so they are on the brink of giving up hope, then pull em out and go "alright now we'll assess you're status and determine whether to put you back in for 10 years"

I speculate it wouldn't work on a variety of people though, as their brain could already be adjusted to altered time perception through the use of drugs. Even without hard drugs or Adderall, you can still fuck with your time perception using only weed and sugar (the food-- as in drink four cans of cola and get super baked immediately, then set 15 minute timers and get lost in your own head, see how long each of those 15 minutes feel)

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Studies have shown that in most cases that you'd care most about, extreme punishment does not serve as an effective deterrent to bad behavior. Creating the Torment Nexus as a way to enhance prison sentences serves only to increase the degree of cruelty involved in our already vengeance-oriented justice system.

[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'll need to find these studies and review them. Intuitively, the little I know about psychology suggests that that an extreme enough negative punishment will almost certainly cause a trauma deterring the afflicted individual from repeating the targeted behavior. This is, obviously, an unethical practice that no licensed practitioner of any form would employ and certainly qualifies as Cruel and Unusual Punishment. I am not promoting it's use by any means, but suggesting that to the best of my inadequate knowledge that it's supposedly effective. Then again, some may argue that capital punishment was meant to be an effective deterrent, which was proven false.

Any studies you care to share? No worries if not, just thought I should ask before I go venturing. Appreciate the discourse!

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's been many years since I read them, so I don't know them off the top of my head. That said, as I recall the explanation was that:

most violent crimes are crimes of passion, and since they tend to occur in the heat of the moment people aren't thinking about consequences
a significant amount of property crimes are acts of economic desperation and/or crimes of opportunity, where the consequences of being caught are either unimportant compared to the more immediate survival needs of the perpetrator, or not fully considered when presented with a tempting opportunity for quick gain

and as such, most of what people think of when they think of criminal activity isn't well controlled by draconian punishment, and is instead better addressed by improving the general welfare of the most at-risk populations, and focusing incarceration on rehabilitating offenders so as to be able to safely reintegrate into society.

If I recall correctly, white collar crime is one of the few exceptions, since it tends to require quite a lot of planning and forethought to carry out... and if I'm perfectly honest, I'm fine with a billionaire CEO being sentenced to one hour in the Torment Nexus for every hour of stolen wages his company profited from, but alas, that's not the world we live in.