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If Biden wins, climate activists will still lose. Milquetoast, middle of the road climate "action" from the Democratic party (and similar policies around the world) are why we have broken past every single warning sign that climate scientists have set.
The Kyoto Protocol did nothing, the Paris Agreement did nothing, emissions credits and electric cars (the only policies Biden is pushing) are objectively, scientifically not enough to even do America's part in slowing down climate change. If you think sitting back, doing nothing, and voting for 1 of 2 parties that don't take climate change seriously, once every 4 years, is going to save the world, I'll see you in hell.
Stupid shit from someone who hasn't followed any of the actual climate policy of the last few years.
Actual climate policy experts are basically unanimous that the IRA makes massive progress and buys desperately needed time. The 1.3 trillion in climate spending it represents is the most any governing body has ever done and it came from the goddamn USA somehow.
And more, by design if it exists long enough it will build constituency and become very sticky policy that will continue on a virtuous cycle. It doesn't get us all the way there but is the first real shot we've had in my lifetime.
Here we are, though. Actual, direct bothsides bullshit. Literally telling people not to bother voting. You signal clearly to the Democrats and any progressive groups that they shouldn't bother with climate because they can't win elections with it. They shouldn't even bother trying because literally doing nothing and spending none of the political capital would be exactly the same to you as any herculean effort. That hard won progress will be lost in the next cycle because it doesn't even exist if it's anything short of what, global socialist Revolution?
Fuck you so much seriously. You're every bit the uninformed voter that the maga people are.
Excellent summary, doomers are very susceptible to shilling and morbidity clickbait, so it's nice to see pushback. It's a great time to be optimistic about both the climate and (the continuing and necessary) potential future action on it.
This does drive me crazy. If I could jump through a portal that would go to a world where the only thing I knew about it was carter got a second term, reagan and trump never was president, and gore served two terms after clinton I would jump through in a heartbeat.
Duuuddde you wouldn't have Clinton as president if Carter had one a second term. Clinton was not a left wing president. he was Third Way.
Remember he approved the Effective Death Penalty Act,
Remember he continued govt favoring of single mothers. which has made marriage unobtainable for the poor.
Remember he is the single person most responsible after Nixon for the current state of mass incarceration .
Why did Third Way bullshit take over the party. Because Clinton and his collaborators, made the case that there was no alternative after Carter and Mondale lost so badly to Regan.
But if Carter had won.. That's like a Turtledove level point of divergence. the late 20th Century would be so different because of that i don't even want to speculate.
But with the old left still in charge of the Dems.. It could be better. Trump would've been prosecuted for discriminating against his African American Tenants at least... in the 70s.. And we'd still have effective antitrust.
On the other hand Carter kneecaped the cia. So we might have gotten nuked. You really can't say
not necessarily. he just would not have moved in that direction policy wise given the politics. clinton was the way he was because of the political climate of the time which was heavily influenced by reagan.
Could be... But i think the most likely scenario. Would be a a Republican win in 84, not sure who... Could be Papa Bush followed by a Gary Hart Presidency in 88. In which case Clinton wouldn't even be considered until 96 at the earliest, and by that point his historical moment was over
yeah I mean all possibilities aside, my point was I would way take the decades of my life being largely run by the democrats over the republicans instead of the 50/50 I got and so I certainly do not want to maximize the republicans time in power.