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I believe in another Israel – one not defined by Benjamin Netanyahu and his cronies
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 13 Apr 2024
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I think zionists are starting to infest lemmy.
They know how threatening it is to have a platform where people aren't loyal to their cause.
It’s not Zionism to understand that the Israeli people do not want war. 21% of Israelis are Palestinian. Netanyahu currently has a 15% favorability rating among Israelis. There are protests in the tens of thousands in the streets of Israel. He’s simply not long for this position.
As soon as you said the word israeli its entirely about zionism. Thats it, thats israel, thats the only reason it exists
That is a very ignorant understanding of the state of Israel. A third of Israel’s citizens are not Jewish, and the remaining citizens fall into three groups regarding its role as a Jewish state.
https://jewishcurrents.org/recent-polls-of-us-jews-reflect-polarized-community
Less than a third. The ones that arent are arabs that were already living there and are trying to not get targeted by israels killing spree. Israels first settlers were zionists, its expansion was zionist, its formation as a country was zionist, its appeal to the US for military aid has perpetually been zionist, its continued assaults and illegal settlements in neighboring countries are zionist. Its government is zionist, its military is zionist, every facet of israel hinges on "jews are divinely allotted this land in particular"
America was founded using genocide and slavery. Does that make all Americans genocidal slavers today?
things arent going well when you're tryin to justify your side by comparing them to colonial Americans. Yes America had a pretty awful founding. But the motivation for that founding wasn't for an ethnostate, and the motivation did not persist through all of American history to the present day. Puritanism itself doesnt even exist anymore. America is still pretty awful tho and shouldnt be imitated or tolerated to invade other countries and blow up civilians.
I’m responding to a comment that likens the founding of Israel to the current Israeli people.
It’s literally the same statement about another nation.
No, I addressed the entire timeline of Israel's zionist motivation.
Yes.
There is no such thing as a non-Jewish Israeli citizens. Can an Arab "citizen" buy land anywhere they wish? Can an Arab "citizen" repatriate refugee relatives? Can an Arab "citizen" commemorate the Nakba free of government discrimination? Can a political party that advocates equal rights for Arabs seat members in the Knesset?
You don't get to celebrate diversity in an Apartheid State.
That’s wildly incorrect. Jewish is both an ethnicity and a religion. The state of Israel is heterogeneous in both ethnicity and religion. Also, not all people of Jewish ethnicity practice Judaism. You should read more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel
How you define Jewish is irrelevant. They are the only people with full Israeli citizenship. Israel has racist laws, discriminatory policy, and separate services, like schools. A non-Jew has fewer rights in Israel. You can obfuscate, but you can't argue.
Immigrants may naturalize after three years of residency, and receive the same voting and state rights as a non-immigrant resident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law
I’m curious, where are you getting so much misinformation from?
around 27% of israel's citizens are not jewish. they have the same rights jews have, so yes they can buy land wherever a jew can.
there are 4 arab parties in the knesset.
one of them was part of the 2022 government.
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Rich words from a 6 day-old account. Regardless, I suggest you tone the rhetoric down a bit, even if I am pro-Palestine/anti-Zionist myself.
I came here because of the extreme views pumped all throughout Reddit. I’m disappointed to see it’s not exclusive. I’m a moderate and empathetic person who cares more about the people caught up in the conflict than the conflict itself. I comment in response to uninformed opinions of nationalism or racism, with hope of providing clarity in defining the difference between a leader and a people. I’m equally clear about the distinction between Netanyahu and Israel as I am Hamas and the Palestinian people.