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I am being genuine in my arguments. Political discussions are no fun when the disingenuous trolls take over, even if my sarcastic nature leaks out and I come across that way sometimes.
That first step is a doozy. And is basically the step that every political system gets kind of stuck on. The goal is simple enough, but the actual "how" of getting it done, not to mention how to maintain it once you've achieved it, is enormously complex.
And the society without money thing I don't think is actually possible, unless you want to go back to a purely agrarian society. Money, at it's core is just a placeholder for resources to simplify bartering. The systems we've built around it are often fucked and can go, but money itself is just a useful tool.
I don't believe that every society / political system does seek to cut crime. For example, parts of the USA right now are seeking to criminalise sleeping outside and other forms of homelessness rather than solving the problem. It has been proven (and is also very obvious) that if you give someone housing and a stable income, they stop being homeless. It's kinda in the name of "home less". But a lot of powerful people in America are more interested in keeping rich people rich and people who "don't deserve it" in the gutters - figuratively and literally. In my vision of an Anarchist Utopia Society TM, the main goal would be to keep as many people happy and healthy as possible which would, by definition, involve lowering crime, anti-social behaviour, homelessness, etc.
A good example would be the UK which offers speed awareness courses to drivers who are caught breaking the speed limit. This is sometimes cheaper for the offender and avoids getting points on your driving license (too many points means a driving ban). Drivers who took this speed awareness course are less likely to reoffend than people who chose not to take it.
As for a moneyless society, I think it is possible as part of my Anarchist Utopia Society TM and I don't want to start another arguement about that because I have limited time and energy for online arguments. We'll just have to agree to disagree for now :)
I really am curious what you mean by "moneyless" though. Like, is it just doing away with the money systems we've built (like banks, stock markets, etc) or is getting rid of the concept altogether and returning to simple bartering?
Gift based economy. I help you because I know that you will help me. If someone doesn't pull their weight then they won't get help. Basically everything runs on social currency and who owes who (but it's not as strict as "I owe Jenny £5.83", it's more like "Jenny's my friend so I'll help her)
How does that scale up to large communities where people aren't generally going to know each other on that level?
Just swap people for communities. "we should help community X because we know they'll help us".
Or maybe you do need to barter at a larger scale? This is all theoretical anyway because, remember, this is in Fantasy Utopia Anarchy Land TM
All good ideas start off theoretical. These are just the details that need to be considered in order to turn a good concept into an actual functioning system.
Bartering is a feature of money systems, not their origin. Andrewism summarizing David Graeber YT.