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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's actually what's different on the moon. Relativity and all that means that time itself actually flows differently on the moon than it does on earth.

The actual problem they're working to solve is around timekeeping and GPS applications in different reference frames, but it's hard to make a short headline about.

[–] Ahrotahntee@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

When I first saw the news I was thinking "there's no way atoms vibrate differently on the moon" but you're right it's about perspective and I've realized there's no way I'm smart enough to handle timezones on an interplanetary scale. I can only hope that the difference between earth seconds and moon seconds can be expressed as a consistent ratio.

I will gladly use some programming library invented in the basement of a university powered by coffee, and rage.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not too bad. Relativity says that no frame of reference is special.

  • On earth, a second looks like a second, but a second on the moon looks too quick.

  • On the moon, the second looks like a second, but a second on earth looks too slow.

Both are actually correct. The simplest solution is to declare 1 to be the base reference. In this case, the earth second. Any lunar colonies will just have to accept that their second is slightly longer than they think it should be.

If it helps, the difference is tiny. A second is 6.5x10^-10 seconds longer. This works out to 56 microseconds per 24 hours. It won't affect much for a long time. About the only thing affected would be a lunar GPS.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Galactic center is the frame to use for any space travel.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it's not a useful one. While we know approximately where it is, we don't know how deep the gravity well is. That gravity well slows the passage of time, just like the earth does. Without an exact mass, and mass density, we can't calculate the correction factor.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

i guesn it's fine, just keep it updating, like the seed at little that got more precine since the creation of the meter but it got updated too

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

It's well understood math, but it's "only" relativistic orbital mechanics.

It boils down to a pretty consistent number, but how you get there is related to the weight of the moon, how far it is from earth, and how fast it's going.
Since the moon is going different speeds at different places in it's orbit, the number actually changes slightly over the month.

They're just using the average though, since it makes life far easier. We use the average for earth too, since clocks move differently at different altitudes or distances from the equator.