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I mean, exactly how invasive are default operating systems? (Like Windows, Mac, Chrome OS, Android, iOS) Do they log your keystrokes, log passwords, capture screen, upload your photos, videos, or audio? (Assuming you aren't a target of government) Is it even possible for the average person who doesn't feel comfortable messing with installing operating systems to have any privacy?

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[–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course we know they do

A good portion of it is laid out in their telemetry docs

And it’s why removing telemetry is so damn difficult

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I said that, I was trying to include both mobile and desktop OSes. Has Intel mentioned that ME will track users and processes using telemetry?

[–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are we talking about Intel?

It's microsoft that keeps releasing telemetry infested OS versions, and then forcing users onto their new shiny plague ships.

this and this this are both widely available tools to try and shut that shit off, and they only sort of work.

Now i know you wouldn't recommend windows, but that's the exact type of spying OP is asking about

(That said, i don't doubt intel either already has or wants to implement telemetry as well)

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mentioned Intel because ME is cancer embedded in hardware. Even if someone was good enough to rewrite windows code to remove all telemetry (in theory), there is nothing one can do about hardware.

AMD's OPENSIL might change that, but we'll have to wait and see. The fact is that ME can hijack one's system resources and push telemetry to Intel, including public IP. That's the worst offender in my opinion

[–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ah, i didn't even know about intel's telemetry in ME

I thought ME was cancer for the other reasons, damn. AMD FTW (until TLA's force them to do the same thing)

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

AMD does the same thing with their PSP. But AMD is supposed to release OpenSIL in 2027 which should theoretically give the community the keys to stop PSP from booting and work Coreboot/Libreboot for other motherboards