NATO doesn't have an answer to the Russian invasion. They know they can't go in themselves and directly fight Russians, and they know they can't support Ukraine with billions indefinitely.

Everyone says that giving up Ukrainian territory is absolutely out of the question, but that's what has already happened. Crimea hasn't been Ukrainian territory for 10 years now. International recognition doesn't count for much when the reality on the ground is that the Russians control the region.

I genuinely don't see any outcome where Ukraine gets its territory back.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Which raises the question of what exactly was this all for. Ukraine could have retained all of its original territory and sovereignty if it simply agreed to stay neutral and implement Minsk. Then Ukraine could've still retained most of its territory if the Istanbul agreement was allowed to go through. At each turn, NATO egged Ukraine on to fight, and in each case the situation got worse for Ukraine thanks to NATO involvement. Now, hundreds of thousands of people died, millions of others fled, large parts of the country have been destroyed, and there might not be an Ukraine left in the end. This war has completely discredited NATO in my opinion.