I mean, for me, it means both. I'm a big believer in FDR's concept of four freedoms: freedom of speech, freedom of worship, freedom from want, and freedom from fear.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Freedom from want & fear 🔥 beautifully stated

[–] Gilles_D@feddit.de 5 points 10 months ago

Protect me from what I want

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Freedom of worship shouldn’t really be a thing.

Replace it with Freedom of Expression. It’ll cover that and so much more.

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Personally, I kinda roll Freedom of Expression into Freedom of Speech. Because any form of expression is essentially speech, even if it doesn't use words to speak.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That’s where I’d roll religion.

But to me expression is so much more than speech, it’s how you dress, how you present, how you think, how you act, etc.

Religion is long term something we as a species should be moving away from. The other freedoms aren’t.

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would disagree. How you dress, how you present, how you act, these are all things that speak without words. I would call those speech.

Truthfully, though, if I were coining the phrase, I would have said "freedom of expression" and "freedom of thought" instead of "freedom of speech" and "freedom of worship". Both of those are broader categories that encapsulate the concepts FDR articulated. After all, what is worship but conceptualizing the deep thoughts about where the universe came from, and finding a community of like minded folks?

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Those two work for me, expression/thought.

Worship is however simply repeating the propaganda you were fed as a child or a vulnerable adult. Hardly deep thought involved. I’d classify it more as a mental health issue, believing in something for zero actual reason, imagining things exist that aren’t real, etc.

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately, you are far too right about far too many people.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

any form of expression is essentially speech, even if it doesn't use words to speak.

That's exactly the rationale behind the citizens united ruling

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Needs some freedom FROM worship to complete the set, but otherwise spot on!

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Freedom to throw 200,000 Japanese Americans into concentration camps. Fuck FDR.

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, most people in history say amazing things and then turn out to be fucking monsters. Especially in American history.

But just because they're awful fucking hypocrites doesn't mean what they said has no value.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

But just because they're awful fucking hypocrites doesn't mean what they said has no value.

Fair enough.i also think it's fair to mention what a dickbag he was every time his name comes up.