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'Shame': Bill Including Warrantless Spying Expansion Passes Senate, Becomes Law
(www.commondreams.org)
this post was submitted on 21 Apr 2024
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I’m an American married to a German. The next time we visit my family, my father could be compelled to go through my husband’s things.
How could it be at all acceptable to force you to ruin your relationship with your daughter because you’re a citizen?
Preposterous and hilarious hyperbole is not helpful.
You’re rejecting reality.
Can you cite a time when, uh, some random American citizen was “compelled” presumably at gunpoint and without a warrant in contravention of the 5th amendment to rummage through their relative’s belongings?
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
I’m interested in facts, not your schizophrenic rantings. Get help. Or factual sources.
There’s an edit to your last comment, I see that now. You’re really worked up about this, but please don’t use the word schizophrenic like that.
Would you like me to source an example of something happening in the past that hasn’t been legal until this past Thursday? I can’t, obviously.
Now it is possible for the government to compel (not literally at gun point, rather with the threat of jail time, like how the government compels you to do anything) a citizen working in any of several types of roles (everyone in my family does, yay) to gather information from any non-citizen.
In fact, I could be compelled to gather information on any of my German neighbors, coworkers, or customers.
I don’t think it’s likely. But it’s a law on the books and it’s fucking insane. You’ve mentioned you dislike foreign interference. Please imagine how you would feel if any Chinese citizen could be compelled to gather information for the Chinese government at any time. Would you want to hire a Chinese person?
Yes, I edited my comment to make it less polite. Large claims require large evidence. This is the second or third time I’ve asked for sources. Just one. Just trust me bro is not a source.
That’s perplexingly crappy of you. Astounding that this conversation hasn’t been as effective as you’d like. If you had asked me for a source before the edit, when I read it or pinged me, you would have gotten one earlier, though it’s the same source as you received elsewhere.
You should read the law.
https://cpj.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Senate-RISAA-Letter-Sign-on-Letter-to-Senate-Opposing-RISAA_4.16.2024.pdf
Thank you for the source. If correct, that is indeed terrifying and we should be concerned.
No, it is not crappy of me. I gave up any hope for “a productive conversation” after the zero citations provided by anyone 5 replies deep. But you did provide one now. Thanks.
You’re intentionally being ruder because things aren’t going your way (your first comment was frankly also rude, plus didn’t ask for a source, so why would I give you one). You can decide that’s not crappy because you’re frustrated, but the rest of us can’t know your mental state. Lashing out because you don’t think you’ll get what you want isn’t behavior that most people find enjoyable.
It’s the same source you already received in another comment. Maybe you’ll read it this time.
I only became frustrated when you gave me a phantasmagorical story about a hypothetical unprecedented scenario.
You asked why people were worried; I explained my worry. You called me delusional, and I defended myself. When you asked for a source so that I could see it, I first clarified what you were looking for, then linked it.
I honestly don’t know what you expected or why you found that frustrating. Regardless, your frustration is your problem.