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I haven't seen things saying he's good. I have seen it said, and said, that he's better than expected. It's just that the bar is too low. He might possibly be one of the better president, though not inspiring, just because there aren't many good ones. FDR is good from what I know of him, though I'm sure there's still plenty to complain about. Other than that, we haven't really had any leftist president's in the US. The fact that Biden has mostly been friendly towards unions is a nice change from standard US practice.
Basically, he's not great. He's what we've got. He's also better than it would seem like he would be if you paid attention to his political past.
He's not been perfect by any means, and is seriously bungling the Gaza situation to put it mildly, but he's absolutely been the best and most successful president in my lifetime so far, especially when it comes to making progressive steps.
Note that that doesn't mean he's great, but yeah, the bar is just absurdly low
As a non-American, I think Obama was a bit better, but the difference is definitely pretty marginal
Obama was more charismatic and better at messaging, but I think actually worse on policy.
I would have liked to see Obama without being chained by the amount of Republicans voting against him that he had, but I wonder if it would have made any difference.
As a non-American who was in Finance before, during and after the 2008 Crash, lets just say that by the things he chose to do after the Crash, the way he chose to do them and even more importantly the people he chose to manage those things, even though he sings like a songbird, the quality of his actions definitelly didn't match the beauty of his songs.
Incredible orator.
Also dishonest as fuck.
All fair points, it was just jarring to see the consensus shift from "both options suck shit" to "Biden will do I guess"
Outside of maga and Gaza activists, where are you hearing that Biden sucks?
And speaking of Gaza, didn't Trump say that he wants Israel to finish there as fast as possible?
which is honestly one of the three options
and the same one biden seems to be encouraging, he's just not dumb enough to say it.
Given that neither Trump nor Biden are Prime Minister of Israel, I think it’s the most realistic option. Given that the rest of the world wants to jump in with embargoes and resolutions and even actions, it may also be more realistic to maintain any influence.
no the good options both involve bombing the kapo trash, then bombing the kapo trash, then bombing the kapo trash some more. you do not have influence over 'Israel', its a mad dog that needs to be put the fuck down.
He only needs to be marginally better than the alternative, so that's all the DNC will ever give us. Because giving us much better than the GOP might disrupt the donor money train.
Even with FDR, we had the whole concentration camps things. The bad with the good.
I tend to point out to people that those complaining about Biden tend to be unable to accurately back up the vast majority of their complaints. They also go oddly silent when someone comes back with a reasoned argument.
there isn't really a reasoned pro biden argument, is the thing. not unless you keep it real shallow.
I'd say it is reasonable to say Biden has been the most progressive president since Johnson signed the civil rights bill. It surprised the hell out of me.
again, that's not pro biden. that's a brutal indictment of everyone else, and a suggestion that our votes don't matter.
Our votes literally brought Biden into the Presidency. ANY progress that has been made is specifically because our votes mattered. They have always mattered. The brutal truth is a combination of apathy, disenfranchisement, deconstructing the public school system, and a sprinkle of brainwashing has caused too many people to not vote. Apathy at the top for a reason.
Moreover, Biden has rolled over when our voices become loud enough on a handful of issues. He has also completed several of the promises he made and is in progress on several more.
Literally, all because we came together and voted him into the position. Is he perfect? Nope. He could be better. Yet I am inclined to give him at least a partial pass due to the division of the entire nation caused in large part due to Trump's Republican Party. Say what you will, Biden has NOT had it easy.
have you ever talked to a trump cultist?
has he rolled over? has he managed half his campaign promises? the ones people wanted? even just the ones that could be executive orders?
(no he fucking hasn't)
sigh
You realize an attack against the person during a discussion is right out of the GOP playbook? Anyway, I haven't said anything directly in support of Biden because to be completely honest: That information is all over Lemmy. Even a 10 second Google search...
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true
...will find enough to work off of. Politifact just being the first link, amongst several, all of them saying the same things. Those are just his campaign promises. I won't go into how he is actually leading and the steps he is taking, often with limited support due to the GOP, in making any form of positive progress on issues as they occur.
No, you've decided you know better. When you do step up it's to bitch and complain, poke and prod, exclaim some broad truth. In reality you've done no research. You will listen to no argument. Meanwhile, you will expect others to do the work and then either completely disassemble it meticulously until they give up, or completely ignore the work in favor of something barely relevant.
Face it, Biden is better than you expected. No amount of anger will change that. In fact, we should be celebrating his successes more strongly to let him know we approve of the positive changes when they happen.
I do... well not enough recently, but real activism. Ll you do is electoralism. less than nothing. and you'll notice you can't actually encounter the criticism.
This is what makes me think he's just the voice for someone else. His history is far too shit for even the mild amount of good that has happened in this admin.