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With them on top of that new state? There will never be peace as long as Netanyahu and Hamas are in power. They all need to go
Unfortunately, in a recent poll 80% of israeli said that israel should take into consideration the suffering of civilians. Only less than 2% said they believed the IDF is using too much fire power. I think there is a deeper issue with people's sentiments.
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It's interesting how you select one person from the israeli government but all of Hamas.
Hamas is far more peaceful than israel. They have proven this in 2018 with their peaceful march. The problem is that israel does not respond to words.
Hamas is the elected head of a stateless people who's land was stolen by Europeans. You label them terrorists, I label them as justified warriors for the land and genocide to which they have been subjugated.
This isn't a both sides argument, as western media tries again and again to frame every fucking story. This is the oppressed fighting back.
Terrorist labels aren't used for armed forces protecting settlers as they rampage Palestinian villages. Terrorist labels aren't used as hospitals are leveled. Terrorist labels aren't used when they drop leaflets to tell civilians to move to a place to avoid getting shelled and then SHELLING that place. Terrorist labels aren't used when a large percentage of children of a whole People grow up without parents because of mass murder. Terrorism isnt used for the decades of genocide. Decades.
Terrorist labels get used when those children become adults and respond how most of us would respond to the conditions of the open air prison in which they reside and will likely die early. Why on earth would you expect them to be peaceful?
Jesus fucking Christ.
And why haven't they had an election in 18 years? Because they are a subjugated people and Israel won't allow elections.
There are no good sides here, but that's a particularly bad gotcha argument.
Living under an Apartheid State with no human or civil rights, subjected to violence Occupying Force on a daily basis, is not 'having a border with them'
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To clarify, my point is that free and fair elections are impossible under an Apartheid Regime.
Hamas certainly tortures and kills political rivals, and has been exposed for corruption. In addition, Fatah is also corrupt, seen as working at the behest of Israel at the expense of Palestinians in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Both have been funded by Israel as part of a Divide and Conquer tactic. Israel also has a long history of assassinating more moderate and leftist political Palestinian rivals.
Hamas Victory Driven By Desire To End Corruption WPO
Hamas Political Violence in Gaza - HRW 2009
Gaza: Palestinians tortured, summarily killed by Hamas forces during 2014 conflict - Amnesty
Gaza: Journalist facing prison term for exposing corruption in Hamas-controlled ministry - Amnesty
Palestinians furious and fed up with corruption of Abbas's 'mafia' PA - MEE
“Divide and Rule”: How Israel Helped Start Hamas to Weaken Palestinian Hopes for Statehood - DemocracyNow
Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations – review - The Guardian
Israel has had control of Gaza with the occupation and blockade since 1967, enforcing policies for the de-development of Gaza's economy. The Israeli imposed closure on Gaza began in 1991, temporarily, becoming permanent in 1993. The barrier began around Gaza around 1972.
With the Blockade, Israel controls all the sea, airspace, and border. Fishermen can't fish outside of 6-12 nautical miles before getting arrested or shot. Israel controls all travel in and out of Gaza. Over 60% of people were already food insecure before October 7th because Israel deliberately restricts food entering Gaza. Israel's policies of Water control left everyone in Gaza with half the water of the emergency WHO standards, now significantly less. Internationally, Gaza is recognized as Occupied.
Israel has shut off all food, water, electricity, and aid to Gaza. Because as occupiers they have that power over occupied territories. They've also repeatedly targeted refugee camps, hospitals, safe zones, and aid trucks.
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy
Israel claims it is no longer occupying the Gaza Strip. What does international law say?
The Gaza Strip − why the history of the densely populated enclave is key to understanding the current conflict
Israel deliberately decided to occupy Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem in 1967. After being directly responsible for the expulsion of 800,000 Palestinians in 1948, many of which fled to those territories after having their homes and belongings destroyed during Plan Dalet. Since 1967, Israel has had control over Gaza as the Occupier, changing into a more brutal form of Occupation with the 2007 Blockade. Israel has been the one responsible for the de-development of Gaza. How can you possibly think Israel is 'supporting' Gaza?
That image is factual, especially when you consider the context of the wars Israel wages on Gaza.
The first image wasn't from Al Jazeera, and both provide factual information. If you want to dispute a piece of information in the images, say what in particular and back it up.
The Jewish exodus from Muslim Countries was indeed terrible. However, using it to legitimatize the Nakba or Apartheid is also terrible. Many prominent Israeli Historians criticize the "Jewish Nakba" narrative, as it's called has been called, as being worse than the Nakba. There were certainly pogroms, property confiscation, and deportations against Jews in Islamic countries (considered push factors) which led to Jewish refugees to leave against their will. Notably in Iraq, Egypt, and Syria. However many decided to emigrate on their own accord, able to sell their property and move voluntarily. I'm also not aware of any Jewish refugees that are denied the right of return or citizenship.
Yeah, I'm biased against genocide and Apartheid States, you got me there.
That's not what I said. I specifically said that there were certainly Jewish refugees; especially from Egypt, Iraq, and Syria. Besides Syria, yes as far as I can tell they can freely return. That doesn't mean they would want to or that they should. UNHCR allows for repatriation for refugees, however as far as I'm aware the vast majority of Jewish refugees chose to live elsewhere due to persecution.
However, saying all 850,000 Jewish people from the exodus were refugees is simply not true. Many voluntarily left due to pull factors such as the desire to fulfill Zionism or finding a better economic status and a secure home in either Israel, Europe, or the Americas. Many were able to sell their homes and move to where they wanted to.
Israel controls the maritime space in front of and air space over Gaza, the anagraphical and fiscal systems and the access of goods and people.
If they were so in favor of Elections how come Hamas is the ones who cracked down on all those Palestinian protests the previous summer?
Because Netanyahu is not Israel and Hamas is not Palestine. Why do I not name Hamas leader? Maybe cause it's not common knowledge since they hide in Egypt and Jordan, in their villas and don't come out except to bomb malls and steal humanitarian supplies meant for Gaza.
But seriously why are you defending terrorists? I'm not defending Netanyahu, I'm saying he needs to be gone.
I'd love to see your thoughts if you'd been in the area to experience Hamas' "peace" on October 7th.
Why would I visit an apartheid regime that colonizes stolen land?
I certainly hope you're not an American and have never been to the United States, because I've got some unfortunate news about who that land properly belongs to.
Are Americans actively being resisted against by the people they are occupying or has there been a peace treaty somewhere?
I wonder.