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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Because no primary challenger has ever beaten an incumbent for president. It would be a waste of time and money.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

62% of the voters seem to think it's a worthwhile endeavor. You're probably right in the sense that democrats couldnt find a progressive candidate if they came up and kicked them in the ass.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The last time the Democrats did that was Ted Kennedy challenging Carter. Even with a historically unpopular president and a well-known challenger he still lost.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but our government is dysfunctional and incumbents are not successfully primaried.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What was lost if Biden can't get it over the goal line?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lots of things. That's what we get for having a dysfunctional government. Stop thinking it's going to work effectively: It won't.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

.... you're saying things won't work effectively but then claiming to understand exactly how it works. I sense a contradiction.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Your initial question didn't make sense at all because the verb tenses don't agree. I'm just doing my best to attempt to communicate with you.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This was my initial question you AI sounding mfr

No shit but also why the fuck didn’t we primary him?

What don't you get?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What was lost if Biden can’t get it over the goal line?

Now who sounds like an AI?

No shit but also why the fuck didn’t we primary him?

Because that's not how our government really works.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Seems like you understand everything just fine. Still being obtuse but still understand, I guess.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

English isn't your first language, right?

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

So now you're just going with personal attacks. I CONCEDE YOUR POINT IS DEFINITELY VALID NOW.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm just having a hard time understanding you. Asking if it's not your first language isn't an attack.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you mean that I am a turd and should bite you, or are you telling me to bite your turd?

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago
[–] unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

According to a Pew Research Poll. Whatever the fuck that means.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Right, I do all my own polling personally.

[–] unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Heh… well I’m just saying polls are unreliable. I wouldn’t bet the farm on them.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I think these polls and the climate is very telling.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

no primary challenger has ever beaten an incumbent for president

So, a bit of history.

https://time.com/5682760/incumbent-presidents-primary-challenges/

Before primary elections became the dominant way to pick a nominee, party leaders were more able to either shut down challengers or smoothly pass the nomination to someone else. Notably, four incumbents who were denied the nomination in the 19th century — John Tyler, Andrew Johnson and Chester A. Arthur — had been Vice Presidents who rose to the Presidency following the deaths of their predecessors, perhaps suggesting they’d never won their parties’ full support in the first place.

Then

In the 1952 Democratic Party presidential primaries, President Harry S. Truman was challenged by Senator Estes Kefauver. Truman lost the New Hampshire primary to Kefauver and dropped out of the race shortly after.

Also

TIME reported that McCarthy’s surprisingly strong showing in the New Hampshire primary was a statement that was “as much anti-Johnson as antiwar,” citing a NBC poll that found more than half of Democrats didn’t even know McCarthy’s position on Vietnam. Less than a week after New Hampshire, Attorney General Robert Kennedy jumped into the race. Then, on March 31, Johnson announced he wasn’t going to run for re-election.

As TIME reported in the April 12, 1968, article on Johnson dropping out, “So low had Johnson’s popularity sunk, said one Democratic official, that last-minute surveys before the Wisconsin primary gave him a humiliating 12% of the vote there.”

It should be noted that Ford nearly lost to Reagan in 1976

He racked up 1,187 delegates compared to Ronald Reagan’s 1,070, which was barely more than the 1,130 he needed to secure the nomination.

And Kennedy nearly beat Carter four years later

Carter won 36 primaries that year, but Kennedy’s 12 victories included important ones in New York and California, and he didn’t concede until Aug. 11, 1980, at the Democratic National Convention at Madison Square Garden in New York City.

In another historic race, William Taft was nearly edged out by Theodore Roosevelt, who went on to place second behind Woodrow Wilson in 1912. That gave Taft the dubious distinction of being the only incumbent to come in at third place in a general election.