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Wisconsin judge sides with 11-year-old trans girl over her right to use school toilets
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gender neutral bathrooms are the answer here.
most public places have them now, don't get why you can't have one in a school.
In places with large crowds, gender neutral bathrooms (assuming you also mean single-use) don't really work. It causes massive lines.
Not to mention, there's no need. It's a bathroom. Why does anyone care who they pee or poop next to? It seems so silly and arbitrary to me. Just get in, do your thing, wash your hands, and get out. haha
We can have gender neutral bathrooms where we have a shared hand-washing area, and individual stalls. Heck, you can even have cameras pointed towards the sink area if people are so afraid of getting harassed in the bathroom. Gender should not matter when you have individual stalls.
Right? I've been using public restrooms for a long time and I don't recall ever seeing anyone's naughty bits.
..and for me the most ridiculous part of this discussion is that bathrooms have never been a secure space. If some creep wanted to go into a bathroom to harass people, there is literally nothing stopping them. It's not like bathrooms have guarded entrances and now people have a sneaky way to get into a bathroom by pretending to be transgender or something insane like that.
It's literally a manufactured issue to get the GOP electorate terrified, as everything they do is designed to do.
I see you've never had the misfortune of using the circular trough-style urinal where everyone is facing each other and peeing into the middle. Thankfully, they are not very common.
From the Horrible Bathroom Hall of Fame, I present the Mathematical Sciences bathroom at the University of Central Florida:
https://imgur.io/gallery/FJvcZ
What is it with the US and making public toilets as weird as possible? Your freaking walls & doors are bad enough but this is like a piss fountain. I'd expect something like this in maybe a swinger / fetish club or something like that.
It's not a urinal, it's for washing your hands. I've mostly ever seen them in factories where you have shifts coming on and off the clock at the same time so they need to be able to handle a high volume of workers.
That said, I'm not a big fan of the piss walls you get in the UK and Ireland. They always feel awkward to me, but I guess if you're used to it...
LOL when I first saw the pic you posted I thought the sink in the middle was for communal pissing
This is what happens when you have theoretical scientists in charge of bathrooms.
Oh you know what? I think I did have those in elementary school. That was a while ago though.
Yes I hate this kind of shit too. It costs less and somehow might be able to pack more pissers, but it's so weird. Maybe unless you're into staring at other people when you're peeing.
Lol! Those are meant for washing your hands, not for pissing. Although I guess I can imagine a scenario where some genius thinks one is a urinal and somehow the idea catches on. Still pretty funny though.
The best compromise for neutrality and efficiency is to keep gender neutral stalls but also retain an area with urinals which will be much quicker for large numbers of men to pass through then using stalls, and also saves water.
The other consideration would be that the stalls will need to be sufficiently screened that people in them don't feel overlooked or vulnerable (I'm looking at you USA with your weird gappy stall building!).
Um I think if we're gonna have urinals, they need to have a divider to completely separate them from the rest of the bathroom area, just so some conservative women don't freak out about the idea of men urinating outside of a closed stall.
But yea the stalls need to have no gaps in them. I hate people just peeking in, especially when I was in k-12 public school.
I went to a mixed bathroom in France and had to walk past bare backsides to get to a stall. I don't want to see one guy's ass let alone a whole row of them.
In the US at least people don't generally have their asses hanging out when using urinals.
That's not really a thing in Europe either. I saw it only once in my life, and that was back in school, from some third or second grader or something.
You're supposed to run down the line and slap those butts.
While cheering about your favorite sportsball team.
I was at a concert at Red Rocks Amphitheatre and they had gender neutral single stall bathrooms with a shared sink area. It was great. Sure, there was a line, but there was going to be one anyway. However, it ensured 100% utilization, when potentially one side would have less than 100% usage when the other has a line. It's ideal for places with large crowds.
(The stalls were also well built basically single rooms, not the shitty American stalls with gaps in them.)
It works perfectly, it's just more expensive to construct. In some Nordic countries there are very few places with bathroom stalls, they either have lots of single-use bathrooms or completely walled-in rooms (wall from ground to roof, regular door) with a toilet and then sinks outside to wash your hands. Works in shopping malls, airports, schools (from small elementary schools to huge high-schools, I've never seen one with stalls). The only exceptions I can think of that have stalls are amusement parks, some sport arenas and (ironically) IKEA.
How about single occupancy? No one cares if you use the wrong port-a-potty.
Because it's not cost effective
All this bathroom talk is just a bourgeois plot to make us all rent bathrooms.
You mean like how it used to be in the US decades ago? You very much used to have to pay to use public bathrooms until a bunch of students protested it.