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I agree that some stuff has gotta stay up to date, I guess I see that more as part of learning how the system works and how to break it/weld shit onto it problem instead of starting from a rolling release.
Dont know if I understood that sentence.
Testing packages is fine. But randomly stopping updates from upstream maintainers makes no sense. If you develop the software you can freeze packages. Or if upstream has dedicated LTS/ESR variants. But not if you dont.
Now I’m not sure I’m the one who understands!
I was saying that it’s better for a new user to come to the understanding that their system has its own version of everything and learn how to work around that when they need to rather than start from a rolling release where everything is as new as possible.
I mean software devs release software when it is ready. Fedora also is semi-rolling and especially the older release has some form of held back packages.
But knowing "my distro ships packages with some random frozen number and these issues will simply not be fixed in a long time" is not really helpful.
Also, people dont know this from anywhere. Android, macOS, Windows all have separated software that is officially maintained and uses the latest stable version. Only Linux distros use this strange packaging form.
So I think using Flatpaks is way better, as they are often officially maintained. A lot of them are not, but they manage the separation from the system very well, so you actually run the latest versions without any chance to break the system.
I guess if you think flat packs and snaps and rolling releases are gonna replace the usual way Linux distributions have done things then that would be good advice for a new person.
No matter the merits of either position, I think the better advice for a new user is to learn how things are now rather than learning the rolling way.
It’s worth noting that neither way is directly analogous to how windows or macOS handle software updates because… they generally don’t! Aside from software out of either systems store, user downloaded software is now expected to run its own update when it’s launched.
Maybe that’s more like snaps because doesn’t snapd periodically run and check for stuff?
Only Appimages are that messy, and Flatpaks are way better. Not managing software at all is pretty horrible.
I think macOS has a store though, but not much software is there. Same as on Windows.
I didn’t even consider appimages. What a nightmare this all must be.